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Harvard 2023-24: Now is the Winter

* The PR print guys, of course, are in a league of their own, with some game recaps that lean toward self-parody. For example this, from the first game against Q (L, 1-7):

The Crimson controlled the face-offs in period one . . . Despite the effort the Bobcats escaped the period with a 4-0 lead. ——-- Oh, those crafty Bobcat escape artists!

That is really funny. Thanks for posting it!
 
Next shoe drops: she is suing 50 of her former players:

"In the lawsuit, Stone also named 50 Jane Doe defendants, who she is suing for defamation. Stone alleged those parties made false statements to The Boston Globe and Harvard that resulted in reputational damage. She is also suing those unnamed defendants for conspiracy, saying that they falsely stated that she “engaged in hazing or fostered a culture of hazing.”

source: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5653911/2024/07/23/katey-stone-harvard-hockey-lawsuit/

(sorry if this link is behind a firewall. I've been looking for a copy of the complaint but haven't located one yet.)

And the lawsuit involves former President Claudine Gay:

"(That 2022 investigation was initiated by the then-dean of the Faculty of Arts and Sciences Claudine Gay; both the lawsuit and Miltenberg criticized Gay by name, noting the controversies of the past nine months that led to Gay’s own abrupt departure as University president.)"

source: https://www.harvardmagazine.com/2024/07/womens-hockey-coach-katey-stone-sues-harvard








 
Next shoe drops: she is suing 50 of her former players:

Wow, didn't see that one coming. Doesn't the fact that 50 people under your direct supervision think you were acting inappropriately mean anything? Who's her lawyer, Jackie Childs? Wouldn't you want to beat Harvard in the lawsuit first, then go after those people?
 
I thought this post from The Athletic comment thread was worth reading (not my writing). I don't share many of the opinions, but it attempted some plausible legal analysis.

Miltenberg specifically ought to be ashamed of himself, cashing checks instead of telling Stone "no" (which, I suspect, more reputable firms told her to before she found her way to Miltenberg). The defamation portion is little more than paper terrorism, seeking to cause distress (and possibly expense for representation/advice) to those who spoke to investigators, reporters, and the administration. Two quotes from the story alone undercut any potential of this surviving first contact with a judge:

RE the 'too many chiefs' quote: "Miltenberg characterized it as a “common phrase” that “many of us have used.”" Paraphrasing the reply as "I said it, but not the way they say I did", this concedes the point. She said it. Referencing that statement or using it to emphasize other offensive interactions is not defamation.

RE hazing and the environment: "Stone characterized those who have spoken out against her as a “small number” of people who “have not felt supported."" This concedes nearly everything else. Stone, an obvious public figure, needs to prove actual malice to win defamation charges. In this context, rather than 'truly disliked', 'actual malice' is best thought of as saying untrue things despite knowing (or recklessly avoiding learning) they were untrue. Stone, acknowledging that the hazing claims came from athletes who did not feel supported, can no longer turn and claim they were defamatory. I empathize that she feels the picture painted by The Athletic's and The Globe's reporting is inaccurate and unfair to her, but that's not defamation. As with the 'Chiefs' quote above, Stone is not owed anyone accepting her version of the story, her professed intent, or reading events in the light most favorable to her.

While Massachusetts is one of the states with an anti-SLAPP law, the narrow scope may prevent Stone's targets from meaningful relief. A robust anti-SLAPP law, the sort we need on a federal level, modifies the typical procedure in order to protect those who speak up on matters of public interest. From the earliest steps of the process, a plaintiff like Stone is forced to prove that what she's filed isn't a "Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation" designed to punish her targets for speaking about a matter of public concern. If she fails to (as Stone would), she is on the hook for her targets' legal expenses. Absent such a law, the routine pre-trial aspects of a case impose significant financial and emotional cost on the target, possibly getting through expensive, time-consuming, and stressful processes like discovery and depositions. It's abuse by process ('paper terrorism', as above) and even "victory" with an award of fees 9 months later fails to address the stress of the process and the cost & opportunity cost of spending that money and time defending yourself from a hopeless charge. Anti-SLAPP statutes force the plaintiff to first prove their victim should be subjected to that bar, which often stops these nuisance defamation claims in their tracks.
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I want to know specifically what did the male coaches get to do that she was fired for doing the same.

Timothy, this is one of the flaws in her suit against Harvard. Marc Mazzoleni who coached the men’s team from 2000 to 2004 resigned amid alumni pressure because he verbally abused players on a regular basis. Had he not resigned, I feel certain the university would’ve pressured him to resign or be fired.
 
Next shoe drops: she is suing 50 of her former players:

"In the lawsuit, Stone also named 50 Jane Doe defendants, who she is suing for defamation. Stone alleged those parties made false statements to The Boston Globe and Harvard that resulted in reputational damage. She is also suing those unnamed defendants for conspiracy, saying that they falsely stated that she “engaged in hazing or fostered a culture of hazing.”

source: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5653911/2024/07/23/katey-stone-harvard-hockey-lawsuit/

(sorry if this link is behind a firewall. I've been looking for a copy of the complaint but haven't located one yet.)

And the lawsuit involves former President Claudine Gay:

"(That 2022 investigation was initiated by the then-dean of the Faculty of Arts and Sciences Claudine Gay; both the lawsuit and Miltenberg criticized Gay by name, noting the controversies of the past nine months that led to Gay’s own abrupt departure as University president.)"

source: https://www.harvardmagazine.com/2024/07/womens-hockey-coach-katey-stone-sues-harvard

What’s that phrase, “where there’s smoke there’s fire”. I have a hard time believing that 50 former players would go out of their way to defame their head coach. What could they possibly have to gain by trying to smear her character? And what does Claudine Gay’s missteps regarding the Israeli Hamas conflict have to do with an investigation into the behavior and actions of one of Harvard’s coaches? This all seems like an incredible reach.
 
Doesn't the fact that 50 people under your direct supervision think you were acting inappropriately mean anything?

....And the fact that thousands more people, upon hearing of only some of the stuff you did, were also appalled and calling for your firing.

Tell me you're a malignant narcissist without telling me you're a malignant narcissist lmao

If anyone isn't yet convinced she's a horrible human being, the fact that she thinks she's going to drag 50 people SHE ALREADY ABUSED for years into court, says it all about her lack of character. How do you have all these consistent revelations about your own inappropriate behaviour brought to light, and you STILL believe you're the one wronged??? Mindblowing. The fact that there are other perpetrators (who happen to be male) who went unpunished isn't actually a defence.

It is troubling that at least one of the players who has come to her defence was forced to play with a concussion, and complained to her teammates about it at the time. Stockholm Syndrome?
 
....And the fact that thousands more people, upon hearing of only some of the stuff you did, were also appalled and calling for your firing.

Tell me you're a malignant narcissist without telling me you're a malignant narcissist lmao

If anyone isn't yet convinced she's a horrible human being, the fact that she thinks she's going to drag 50 people SHE ALREADY ABUSED for years into court, says it all about her lack of character. How do you have all these consistent revelations about your own inappropriate behaviour brought to light, and you STILL believe you're the one wronged??? Mindblowing. The fact that there are other perpetrators (who happen to be male) who went unpunished isn't actually a defence.

It is troubling that at least one of the players who has come to her defence was forced to play with a concussion, and complained to her teammates about it at the time. Stockholm Syndrome?

This...So much this.

Ego the size of a planet.
 
Wow, didn't see that one coming. Doesn't the fact that 50 people under your direct supervision think you were acting inappropriately mean anything? Who's her lawyer, Jackie Childs? Wouldn't you want to beat Harvard in the lawsuit first, then go after those people?

Coach Stone has coached well over 1500+ Female athletes. Interesting how nobody seems interested in hearing from Coach Stone. Now we all will hear what Coach has to say. If anyone has ever competed in D1 athletics or served in the Armed Services what was alleged in the Harvard program is the daily way of life (not for everyone). The simple fact is Coach Stone was at Harvard for how long? And Harvard didn't know the style of Coach Stone? This suit is designed to get her narrative out and settle with Harvard on a financial level. Harvard's womens hockey program will never recover from the firing of Coach Stone.
 
True, Harvard athletic programs facing scandal can never recover. Just look how the once great NCAA champion fencing program was humiliated by the even greater national embarrassment of the Coach Brand bribery scandal. Now look at the shambles that program is today:
​​(checks notes) NCAA champions, but only in 2024, and accounting for all members of the US Olympic men's saber team, but I guess not the entire Olympic fencing team. So, have to feel bad for the inevitable doom that likewise awaits Coach Bellamy.
 

Yeah, Dave this article is bogus on so many levels. He keeps pointing out that three players have come to her defense where she is naming 50 Jane Does who apparently sullied her reputation (and who knows how many more would have come forward except for fear of retribution which is exactly what she is doing by going after these 50 players). And he states that the two players (I'm guessing Tage Thompson and Myrna McDonald) had it out for her from the get-go where there is no evidence of that anywhere. He also states that Harvard engaged in this media campaign against Stone when in fact the opposite happened as McDermott staunchly defended Stone until the evidence was so overwhelming that she couldn't turn a blind eye to it anymore. This writer has zero credibility as far as I'm concerned.

And the article reiterates the premise that female coaches at Harvard are not allowed to be tough on their players which is BS. Carole Kleinfelder was tough on her players both as women's basketball coach and lacrosse coach and she did it without abusing them. And that was soon after Title IX was enacted at a time when female coaches were under a hell of lot more scrutiny than they are today. Also, Mark Mazzoleni was forced to resign amid strong alumni pressure because he abused the players on the Harvard's men team from 2000-2004. He would have been let go eventually so Stone's argument about men not held to the same standard doesn't add up.
 
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