Harvard 2019-20 (Moving On)

[Reddington]

The jam that packed the Colgate rink was the largest crowd I have ever seen at a regular season ECAC game. Unbelievable. Where did they all come from at 12 noon on a Friday? (Where did I come from, for that matter?) . . . Local elementary schools: it was Kids’ Day at the game in Hamilton, NY. Super excited, pumped young'uns yelling “Go 'Gate.” Quite the home ice advantage! Then, after the second intermission, the place was empty . . . (except for the routine 150 or so fans that we get here in the east). It was unreal, as in reality has been undone. Where did they all go??? Home, I guess. School buses wait for no man, woman or child. Full house / empty house, with twenty minutes to go. Remarkable visual doubletake,.

The box score seemed equally hallucinatory. The fact that Reed wasn’t in goal had nothing to do with Harvard going 0-5 on the PP, or Colgate looking really pretty good. The kids went home happy after watching two periods of women’s hockey and could go to bed happy after hearing about the third.

Harvard will go as far as KDR, Petrie and Reed can take you.
Your post above was like a literary piece.

 

[Skate79]

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Harvard will go as far as KDR, Petrie and Reed can take you.
Your post above was like a literary piece.

Harvard reminds me in some respects of what the Patriots went through this season. Beat up on the weaklings in the conference but when it comes time to play the big girls, it's a whole different story. As in the Crimson simply get outclassed, outskated and outshot by wide margins. They are not competitive save for the win over BC.

Too much individual play, not enough D structure or an offensive system that rewards teamwork over individual play. It's too easy to defend Harvard and it's even easier to attack them. The video doesn't lie.

 

[thirdtime's . . .]

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Harvard will go as far as KDR, Petrie and Reed can take you.

From day one of her own young career Reed has been covering for young and/or mediocre defensive play, and when she is not herself everything behind the blue line collapses. Lesser teams than Cornell have been exposing this almost chronic vulnerability of the Crimson for some time.

 

[vicb]

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From day one of her own young career Reed has been covering for young and/or mediocre defensive play, and when she is not herself everything behind the blue line collapses. Lesser teams than Cornell have been exposing this almost chronic vulnerability of the Crimson for some time.

Here is one fan who is hoping this continues on Saturday.

 

[thirdtime's . . .]

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Harvard’s post-holiday lines can be said to have worked pretty well, earning a win at BC and a tie with Princeton. Then for some reason Stone tweaked two lines for the Colgate/Cornell weekend, which proved unhelpful, the net effect being two iffy lines where once there had been three solid ones. Petrie’s absence this past weekend meant that we then had three iffy lines. (Petrie would probably have made the St. Lawrence win less of a squeaker, and certainly would have reduced the fatigue factor that led to the third period implosion at Clarkson.) We did give Giguère & Co. a game through two periods, giving up a single PPG. But then no less than two, and it may have been three, Harvard players in front of the goal stood and watched as a freshman D skated behind them to score her second goal of the season, on a hung-out-to-dry Reed. It’s as if they were watching a penalty shot. This happened at 00:35 of the third. Demoralization must have added to exhaustion to account for the ensuing collapse. The upcoming Dartmouth game, with or without Petrie, will at least give Stone a chance to sample better patchworks - - - or return to what worked - - - before heading into yet another lion’s den at Northeastern. (Harvard’s PP is 0-11 since Princeton, including a 5 minute opportunity today.)

[Btw, will someone explain what the additional 10 minutes of a game misconduct means after a player receives a 5 minute major. Where does that time go, or not go? What’s the practical effect?]

 

[D2D]

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[Btw, will someone explain what the additional 10 minutes of a game misconduct means after a player receives a 5 minute major. Where does that time go, or not go? What’s the practical effect?]

It means the offending player has to sit an additional 10 minutes in the box, but during that time the team is no longer short-handed (assuming no more penalties during those 10 minutes).

 

[thirdtime's . . .]

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It means the offending player has to sit an additional 10 minutes in the box, but during that time the team is no longer short-handed (assuming no more penalties during those 10 minutes).

Thanks. So it's sort of like a shaming, since the player's already out of the game!

 

[D2D]

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Thanks. So it's sort of like a shaming, since the player's already out of the game!

Not necessarily out of the game; it depends on when the penalty is called. For example, if the offending player was called for her major + game misconduct penalty in the first or second period she would be eligible to return to game action after serving her 5 minute major (putting her team shorthanded) plus 10 for the game misconduct (during which only her can't play). Then again if the 5 + 10 penalty is called and starts in the last half of the 3rd period the total "sit time" would run into overtime and, depending on the timing of the call and how long the game runs without either team scoring the winner, said player may be done for the game.

All that said, if a player is called for a major AND a game disqualification penalty, she is declared ineligible to play for the remainder on that game PLUS all of the next game. So obviously a Game DQ is usually much more punitive than a game misconduct, particularly when the game in question is already all but decided and the infraction involves a key player, who would be out for all of the next game.

 

[thirdtime's . . .]

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Not necessarily out of the game . . .

So i guess it is something of a misnomer, at least to the uninitiated, since it suggests something extra serious by the fact of its being added on to an already major penalty. I’ve never seen a DQ, so I assumed a game misconduct was more or less equivalent and thus meant more than enforced extra bench time. (I didn’t really think it was like being put in the stocks; there are not always enough onlookers to make that punitive. )
Thanks again.

 

[ARM]

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Not necessarily out of the game; it depends on when the penalty is called. For example, if the offending player was called for her major + game misconduct penalty in the first or second period she would be eligible to return to game action after serving her 5 minute major (putting her team shorthanded) plus 10 for the game misconduct (during which only her can't play). Then again if the 5 + 10 penalty is called and starts in the last half of the 3rd period the total "sit time" would run into overtime and, depending on the timing of the call and how long the game runs without either team scoring the winner, said player may be done for the game.

All that said, if a player is called for a major AND a game disqualification penalty, she is declared ineligible to play for the remainder on that game PLUS all of the next game. So obviously a Game DQ is usually much more punitive than a game misconduct, particularly when the game in question is already all but decided and the infraction involves a key player, who would be out for all of the next game.

A game misconduct is shown as 10 minutes for stats purposes, but it DOES mean that the player is done for the current game as thirdtime's said. A game DQ means the player is gone for the current game and her next game as well.

 

[D2D]

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A game misconduct is shown as 10 minutes for stats purposes, but it DOES mean that the player is done for the current game as thirdtime's said. A game DQ means the player is gone for the current game and her next game as well.

ARM is of course correct, my error.

 

[thirdtime's . . .]

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A game misconduct is shown as 10 minutes for stats purposes, but it DOES mean that the player is done for the current game as thirdtime's said. A game DQ means the player is gone for the current game and her next game as well.

Got it. Thanks.

 

[Skate79]

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Goal of the year tonight by Becca Gilmore who held off the Dartmouth player and with a one hand backhand flip scored a shortie to put the Crimson up 3-0. And a tip of the cap to Becky Dutton who made a great save on CC Bowlby alone in front. One of several she had tonight.

 

[thirdtime's . . .]

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In the month of January Gilmore centered four different lines and KDR three. The wings were equally new to each other on six of those seven lines. This has not proven to be completely disastrous (4-4-1), but one continued absence (Petrie) does not a need for weekly reshuffles make. Moy, from the now defunct Petrie line, was not dressed Friday night against Dartmouth, and you’d think that would be reason enough to let ever-newish lines, if you had to have them, get established. But no: three more 2020 roll-outs . . . odd, to me anyway. But what did remain consistent during the month was individual drive (Gilmore’s shortie was just the most recent example) combined with an increased impulse to make plays, even when not so sure who your fellow playmakers might be. If this were the NFL I’d say Stone used multiple offensive looks to try to confuse the opposition, but February Beanpot teams are not very confusable. And this Beanpot feels extra big, for all concerned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpxkyTc9Z38

 

[Rightnut]

In the month of January Gilmore centered four different lines and KDR three. The wings were equally new to each other on six of those seven lines. This has not proven to be completely disastrous (4-4-1), but one continued absence (Petrie) does not a need for weekly reshuffles make. Moy, from the now defunct Petrie line, was not dressed Friday night against Dartmouth, and you’d think that would be reason enough to let ever-newish lines, if you had to have them, get established. But no: three more 2020 roll-outs . . . odd, to me anyway. But what did remain consistent during the month was individual drive (Gilmore’s shortie was just the most recent example) combined with an increased impulse to make plays, even when not so sure who your fellow playmakers might be. If this were the NFL I’d say Stone used multiple offensive looks to try to confuse the opposition, but February Beanpot teams are not very confusable. And this Beanpot feels extra big, for all concerned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpxkyTc9Z38

Why are Petrie and Moy out?

 

[thirdtime's . . .]

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Why are Petrie and Moy out?

Petrie has missed three games due to injury. I don't know why Moy missed Friday night.

 

[thirdtime's . . .]

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After arriving at Walter Brown about three minutes after the opening face-off and feeling greatly relieved that the scoreboard still showed 0-0, then seeing Reed on the bench, then trying to identify the unusual figure in the Harvard goal, then watching Northeastern score seconds later, I naturally thought that this was going to be a very long night: Becky Dutton was starting the third game of her season. Yes, she had shut out RPI and Dartmouth, but that meant she had shut out RPI and Dartmouth. This was the Beanpot! This was Northeastern! As it turned out, nobody could have done a better job facing that powerhouse.The two goals she gave up were on somebody else (like the Huskies’ offense), and 95% of the 35 saves she made were a demonstration of all the skills and poise a first-rate goalie must have. She owned the goal against a team that seemed to be on a fast break 50% of the time they had possession, and the other 50% seemed to set up as if they were in the closing seconds of a power play. Everything FAST. They didn’t allow H’s offense to get into a rhythm, despite 32 SOG, but our backchecking was ferocious and Dutton did all that was needed to turn this into a real thriller.

This is just my way of saying that if all you read about this game was that “Northeastern finished off Harvard 3-1” you need to hear that Northeastern fought the Resistance for 59:48 before the ENG.

(No Petrie. Limited Moy. Lines more or less back to the new normal)

 

[Rightnut]

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After arriving at Walter Brown about three minutes after the opening face-off and feeling greatly relieved that the scoreboard still showed 0-0, then seeing Reed on the bench, then trying to identify the unusual figure in the Harvard goal, then watching Northeastern score seconds later, I naturally thought that this was going to be a very long night: Becky Dutton was starting the third game of her season. Yes, she had shut out RPI and Dartmouth, but that meant she had shut out RPI and Dartmouth. This was the Beanpot! This was Northeastern! As it turned out, nobody could have done a better job facing that powerhouse.The two goals she gave up were on somebody else (like the Huskies’ offense), and 95% of the 35 saves she made were a demonstration of all the skills and poise a first-rate goalie must have. She owned the goal against a team that seemed to be on a fast break 50% of the time they had possession, and the other 50% seemed to set up as if they were in the closing seconds of a power play. Everything FAST. They didn’t allow H’s offense to get into a rhythm, despite 32 SOG, but our backchecking was ferocious and Dutton did all that was needed to turn this into a real thriller.

This is just my way of saying that if all you read about this game was that “Northeastern finished off Harvard 3-1” you need to hear that Northeastern fought the Resistance for 59:48 before the ENG.

(No Petrie. Limited Moy. Lines more or less back to the new normal)

Big ECAC weekend coming up. Will be tough if no Petrie and limited Moy.

 

[thirdtime's . . .]

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The third goalie in four games, and just the fourth start for the senior Larcom against Cornell Friday, but why not share the wealth of opportunity in this pivotal season? Gale-force winds deprived me of streaming the third period, with its 4x3 shortie to make it 3-1 Cornell following matching hooking/embellishment penalties (!) but, as losses go, 4-1 is much better than January's 7-0., though in the end superior talent will out.

Saturday H was outplayed for forty-plus minutes by a fierce Colgate team, but Dutton was back from the Beanpot wars, doing her thing, as were KDR and Bloomer. Down 3-2, a no-longer-limited Moy scored two goals in eighty seconds with less than three minutes to play. The color guy tried to tell me why shots from impossible angles from the goal line sometimes make perfect sense, but all I know is that Moy's first one from zero degrees went in, as did her second from 90. And Petrie (2 pts.) is now back, btw. But we don't want to see Colgate again.

As for the upcoming Beanpot “consolation” game, I’m sure both teams would rather call in sick.

 

[thirdtime's . . .]

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Moy scored two goals in eighty seconds

Eighty-one, actually. Is this one for the books, especially with the tying and winning goals?

Note to self: ask ARM. Probably a dozen Gophers have more than matched this.