ScoobyDoo
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This election has fed Turtle Boy more power than you can imagine. He is the most powerful man in the nation right now.
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Grand unified 2020 election thread
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This election has fed Turtle Boy more power than you can imagine. He is the most powerful man in the nation right now.
unofan
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What we learned is that higher turnout doesn't mean automatic democratic wins, that rural areas are getting redder even as cities get bluer, and the dynamics of the Senate and Electoral College means that the GOP isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
RaceBoarder
Waiting for the Snow to fly...
I hate to give them credit, but it does appear that the "silent Dump voter" was a thing... And they are in places where these votes matter...
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
I wonder how many first-time voters voted this time around...
ScoobyDoo
NPC
That's the lesson of 2016 that no one learned. Nothing is different this time. This is 2016 all over again. We also should have gotten the message from 2018 from the Senate election but instead we got gaga over taking the House.
WeAreNDHockey
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I think the American people are more properly blamed. I don't know what else the party can do. This country is even sicker than I thought it was after 2016, and I will hold that opinion even if Biden holds the leads in WI, MI and NV.
This election should have been a no brainer, and we should have flipped the senate. Then again, I made the mistake of paying any attention to polls. Never again. The country is too flawed to be properly polled. In states and races where republicans led, they won. How many republicans who led in house and senate races lost? What states where republicans led in the presidential race but it was close did they lose?
Once again, ALL of the "polling errors" appear to be in favor of republicans, and largely so. Races should not have been close in WI and MI and NV, and yet even now 12 hours after the polls closed, Biden could lose any or all of them. Polls are more random it appears than weather reporting.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Yep. That’s exactly what we’ve learned. Dems need to work the Latino vote hard in 2022. That was an unmitigated disaster.
and I’ll say this, tying MN reps to Omar seems to have worked very, very well. Which is too bad. Angie Craig should have won handily. Stauber flipped one of the arrowhead districts. Duluth is getting redder. Mn07 was a lost cause at Trump+30. But like Hovey indicated, they fucked themselves by getting rid of the house ag chair. That’s just dumb man.
the cities OTOH are getting significantly bluer. If college educated whites start voting D more, it could be a nice (unreliable) swing in the short term.
Actually, if anything, we’ve learned we need Howard Dean’s 50-state strategy more than ever. We got a really big wake up call on Latinos. Tells us every bloc is a knife fight save for black women.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Yeah. We have a cancer and it’s metastasized. There are structural problems and I fear if the GOP wins in a census year like this, those problems are no longer solvable within 10 years. Thats fucking depressing.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
If Dump pulls this out or steals it in the courts, we continue our rapid descent into becoming Karimov-era Uzbekistan.
160,000 ballots remaining in Michigan as of 15 mins ago.
Russell Jaslow
Registered User
And don't forget, Alabama flipped the other way.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
I don't think that works. Look at all the money, time, and effort that was dumped into South Carolina? Or Kentucky? All wasted.
Yeah, I don't think that's necessarily true. It looks like Biden is going to pull out a narrow win in this thing, which Clinton didn't do. Also, Trump has already picked up 3 million more votes than he had in 2016, so Biden will have had a bigger hurdle to surmount. Finally, Biden's win will come as a result of victories in Wisconsin and Michigan, a couple of states that Clinton largely ignored in the latter days of her campaign.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Crap, Haley Stevens lost her re-election bid in MI-11 and Slotkin might lose hers in MI-8 (down about 12,500 with 87% reporting).
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
The way I see it Trump needs to get two of three of PA, MI, and NV. (WI is gone.) And, I don't see that happening.
WeAreNDHockey
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I think this election should be telling all of us how racist this country is.
My sense is the vast majority of those of us posting in these political threads are white. And we are NOT representative of white America by a long shot. The other, team centric, board I post on is made up of mostly conservative republican voters, many of them Catholic. And it was almost all never trumpers. But they too are a light year away from being a representative sample of people at large.
The sad truth is the majority of white people do not begin to get it. There are a LOT more white supremacists than a lot of you want to admit. There are a lot more who are subtle in their racism but are racist nonetheless. There are a lot more who, even if they don't mind working with people of color or sending their kids to schools with people of color don't want them living next door. And finally, even if you are none of those things, there are still a huge swath of white people who refuse to wrap their heads around notions like white privilege or systemic racism. They are open minded, they live in mixed neighborhoods, they work with Black people, but they don't see (or refuse to see) what is happening all around them.
My sense is the vast majority of those of us posting in these political threads are white. And we are NOT representative of white America by a long shot. The other, team centric, board I post on is made up of mostly conservative republican voters, many of them Catholic. And it was almost all never trumpers. But they too are a light year away from being a representative sample of people at large.
The sad truth is the majority of white people do not begin to get it. There are a LOT more white supremacists than a lot of you want to admit. There are a lot more who are subtle in their racism but are racist nonetheless. There are a lot more who, even if they don't mind working with people of color or sending their kids to schools with people of color don't want them living next door. And finally, even if you are none of those things, there are still a huge swath of white people who refuse to wrap their heads around notions like white privilege or systemic racism. They are open minded, they live in mixed neighborhoods, they work with Black people, but they don't see (or refuse to see) what is happening all around them.
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ScoobyDoo
NPC
I like Slotkin. Sad. Way to go Michigan.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
It will all depend on the Courts now. Trump has done enough to demand to stay in office and not turn it over until his Supreme's get their say. Which is going to tear the country apart even more than it is now.
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Take half the money dumped into those two (nominally about $100 million is half) and put it in MI and WI and this would've been called about 3 AM.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Yep. I think that's true. I think the Democrats thought landslide again. Which means they LEARNED NOTHING FROM 2016.
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