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Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

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Patman said:
Is it because if it were the Russians or the Chinese they'd make sure that retribution was given in full?

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The embassy didn't need to say anything on their twitter feed. We do not owe them a response for their disgusting actions. Further it is insulting that we got caught with our pants down as the Arab Spring slowly turns into the fundamentalist nightmare. Is this still supposed to be a success? Especially Libya?

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Kepler, stop trying to equivocate Christian fundamentalists with Islamic fundamentalist. You know the comparison is wrong to start with. Your faith that both lead to the same ends or are separate sides of the same coin is stunningly ignorant.

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The filmmakers of this obscure film bear no blame unless we want to admit that a group of Muslims cannot control themselves or to act in a rational manner vis a vis this type of stimulus. Are you willing to go there? If so, will you blame MLK and others for the reaction of racist whites to the civil rights movement? Where do you separate cause, effect, and complicitness? This whole this is also a clear example of the Streisand-effect, writ large. No group should be given veto power over speech and if the Muslim Beotherhood can't handle that, if Al-Qaeda can't handle that, and if other Americans can't handle that then they can all go stuff it.

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As for those quibbling about Romney's remarks... The world is full of people who always fear What the world may think... And a lot of them have a financial stake in these partnerships. But ask yourself... How did we get here? Ask yourself... "will mealey mouth words from a person who avoids his own intelligence briefings and actually mean anything"? I don't know about you, but to me that requires a lot of faith.

The Egyptians need to be told one thing... Grow up. The Lybians? It's a lost cause. The "Arab Spring" look at what it has wrought.
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100% pure knuckledragger logic right here. Not an ounce of sense anywhere to be found.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
At what point do we take our ball and go home?
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Probably never.

We run the world for a small cadre's profit. Our bases and embassies are forward deployment in support of our business interests. The only way to disengage the former is to relinquish the latter.

If we ever decide to stop taxing the US middle class and sacrificing the children of the world's lower class in order to fatten the wallets of the world's upper class, then, yeah, we can leave. How likely is that post-Citizens United?
 
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Kepler said:
If we ever decide to stop taxing the US middle class and sacrificing the children of the world's lower class in order to fatten the wallets of the world's upper class, then, yeah, we can leave. How likely is that post-Citizens United?
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50/50
 
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Kepler said:
Partial evacuation of consulate in Berlin.
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After anti-religious sentiment, such as the banning of circumcisions which has actually caused both the Jewish AND Muslim population to protest (probably the only time they'll ever get along), I'm not surprised by this at all.

However, on this tangent, Bloomberg wants to regulate circumcisions. I'm beginning to think that guy is the real terrorist threat to the land of the free.
 
Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

Patman said:
Is it because if it were the Russians or the Chinese they'd make sure that retribution was given in full?

----

The embassy didn't need to say anything on their twitter feed. We do not owe them a response for their disgusting actions. Further it is insulting that we got caught with our pants down as the Arab Spring slowly turns into the fundamentalist nightmare. Is this still supposed to be a success? Especially Libya?

----

Kepler, stop trying to equivocate Christian fundamentalists with Islamic fundamentalist. You know the comparison is wrong to start with. Your faith that both lead to the same ends or are separate sides of the same coin is stunningly ignorant.

----

The filmmakers of this obscure film bear no blame unless we want to admit that a group of Muslims cannot control themselves or to act in a rational manner vis a vis this type of stimulus. Are you willing to go there? If so, will you blame MLK and others for the reaction of racist whites to the civil rights movement? Where do you separate cause, effect, and complicitness? This whole this is also a clear example of the Streisand-effect, writ large. No group should be given veto power over speech and if the Muslim Beotherhood can't handle that, if Al-Qaeda can't handle that, and if other Americans can't handle that then they can all go stuff it.

----

As for those quibbling about Romney's remarks... The world is full of people who always fear What the world may think... And a lot of them have a financial stake in these partnerships. But ask yourself... How did we get here? Ask yourself... "will mealey mouth words from a person who avoids his own intelligence briefings and actually mean anything"? I don't know about you, but to me that requires a lot of faith.

The Egyptians need to be told one thing... Grow up. The Lybians? It's a lost cause. The "Arab Spring" look at what it has wrought.
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Very well said.
 
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People can fantasize about playing Genghis Khan and stacking 90,000 skulls in the Tripoli Galleria whenever any harm comes to a single American, but that is not the way the real world works.

Religious zealots, mobs, and terrorists are not motivated by risk-benefit analyses.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
After anti-religious sentiment, such as the banning of circumcisions which has actually caused both the Jewish AND Muslim population to protest (probably the only time they'll ever get along), I'm not surprised by this at all.

However, on this tangent, Bloomberg wants to regulate circumcisions. I'm beginning to think that guy is the real terrorist threat to the land of the free.
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So let's be clear. You're OK with parents forcing their children to be circumcised for religious reasons (a procedure they might object to later in life), but parents who have their children vaccinated are "poisoning" them?
 
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Kepler said:
People can fantasize about playing Genghis Khan and stacking 90,000 skulls in the Tripoli Galleria whenever any harm comes to a single American, but that is not the way the real world works.

Religious zealots, mobs, and terrorists are not motivated by risk-benefit analyses.
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They're motivated the same way any libstain is motivated: emotion. As the old saying goes, "If you aren't a liberal by the time you're 20, you don't have a heart."

However, enough with the partisan stuff, emotion is the factor. They want to avenge something near and dear to them. It isn't like we haven't seen the story before, only about half of the war and fight movies out there. I'm not trying to say that they had access to this stuff, but it's the age-old deadly sin of wrath, but if you look at it from a religiously neutral standpoint, wrath typically ends up cascading like falling dominoes.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
So let's be clear. You're OK with parents forcing their children to be circumcised for religious reasons (a procedure they might object to later in life), but parents who have their children vaccinated are "poisoning" them?
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Where, in the entire post you quoted, did I ever give my personal feelings on circumcision?
 
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Its sad to watch righties follow Mittens off a cliff, just like they followed George W Bush off a cliff a decade earlier. Now I'm excepting most Congressional Republicans from this as they seem to be handling this correctly by and large. McCain for example got back to his former self in an interview I saw last night.

However, knuckledragger accolytes, including several out here on this message board, are desperate to push the narrative that Obama apologizes for America, even though he's never actually done so. Then they sit back with a glazed over look in their eyes akin to our caveman ancestors while the public who's seen Obama's leadership decimate Al Quada rejects their false charges. So they did in even deeper, using the hours after an oversees attack to launch a craven, partisan, and un-American tirade against the President unprecedented in modern history. No wonder you guys are about as popular at telemarketers.
 
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Basic question: how do you deal with bullies?

First of all, anyone who thinks that these embassy attacks actually do have anything to do with the video is either naive or misguided: the video was not a cause it was merely an excuse. these attacks are too well-coordinated for them to be spontaneous acts of outrage, some group behind the scenes is pretty clearly organizing and co-ordinating them.

the psychology of bullies is pretty simple: think "pecking order" or a wolf pack: they beat up anyone lower than them and cower before anyone higher than them. it's all pure brute strength, nothing more. there's no negotiating; either you whack them harder than they whack you, or they keep whacking you until you do what they want.

funny how hockey fans love to have an enforcer on their team to keep the other team in line, yet there are people here who won't even acknowledge this simple human truth about human behavior.

This should not be a partisan issue either. almost always people of all domestic political persuasions want the US to be safe.

It's quite sad to see that the most obstreporous board bully here can't even acknowledge this very basic thing.

your turn, name caller.
 
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Rover said:
Its sad to watch righties follow Mittens off a cliff, just like they followed George W Bush off a cliff a decade earlier. Now I'm excepting most Congressional Republicans from this as they seem to be handling this correctly by and large. McCain for example got back to his former self in an interview I saw last night.

However, knuckledragger accolytes, including several out here on this message board, are desperate to push the narrative that Obama apologizes for America, even though he's never actually done so. Then they sit back with a glazed over look in their eyes akin to our caveman ancestors while the public who's seen Obama's leadership decimate Al Quada rejects their false charges. So they did in even deeper, using the hours after an oversees attack to launch a craven, partisan, and un-American tirade against the President unprecedented in modern history. No wonder you guys are about as popular at telemarketers.
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Did you not pay attention to ANY of Obama's foreign policy in 2009? Or were you still too hung over from partying the November before?
 
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Is El Presidente in DC monitoring these assaults on sovereign US territory or off at another fundraiser??
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Where, in the entire post you quoted, did I ever give my personal feelings on circumcision?
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You described the banning of circumcision as an "anti-religious sentiment". You linked to an editoral in which the author was all in a tizzy over Bloomberg taking, "the first steps toward regulating and restricting the free exercise of the practice of orthodox Jewish circumcision".

So are you totally OK with circumcisions if there is a religious reason for it? Or is this one of those situations where you personally view it as an unnecessary procedure, but also respect the beliefs of others? You weren't being too clear in your original post.
 
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Rover said:
a craven, partisan, and un-American tirade against the President unprecedented in modern history.
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Or at least since 2008. It continues to amaze me how you guys are completely and totally blinded by party labels. The vitriol against Obama probably still isn't up to the level of that spewed out against "the great Satan", just a few years ago. But "the great Satan" was a Republican, so to you that was just sensible discourse to your side, I guess. ;)
Not that I think Obama deserves the nonsense the other side is spewing out, either. If this Mid East situation has made anything clear, it's that Barry is the only adult running for prez.
 
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