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Girls hockey-Guys hockey

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CanHockGuy

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With all the crap flying about this idiot lawyer who has disgraced himself and minor hockey, what do you think about girls playing on boys teams? Are they taking up a spot? Is girls hockey that bad that parents feel they must have their kid playing against supposed better competition. I have seen and heard plenty of conflicts for years. Some kids played on both simultaneously, until they put in a rule to stop it. Should co-ed hockey be a thing of the past? It might not be worth the risk. Seems silly, but where are we now on this?
 
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IMHO, a girl with comparable skills is not "taking up a spot", and up through the PeeWee level (12 and under) I feel a kid - boy or girl - is simply a kid playing and learning the game they enjoy (and we love!). In the states, PeeWee is the start of "checking" and if a girl (or her parents) choose to put her in such a position, there are challenges that will come with it. Also, with that age come some maturity and physical changes for girls that may make boys and girls alike less than comfortable (as well as the parents, obviously). Theses issues just need to be addressed directly and immediately. Period. Parents pushing their girls to "play with the boys is the only way to be better" are idiots. However, I have no problem letting kids be kids.
 
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videohockey said:
IMHO, a girl with comparable skills is not "taking up a spot", and up through the PeeWee level (12 and under) I feel a kid - boy or girl - is simply a kid playing and learning the game they enjoy (and we love!). In the states, PeeWee is the start of "checking" and if a girl (or her parents) choose to put her in such a position, there are challenges that will come with it. Also, with that age come some maturity and physical changes for girls that may make boys and girls alike less than comfortable (as well as the parents, obviously). Theses issues just need to be addressed directly and immediately. Period. Parents pushing their girls to "play with the boys is the only way to be better" are idiots. However, I have no problem letting kids be kids.
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This girl is not better than most of the boys this is clear. I am only being the devils advocate here, but should a girl take up a spot on a team when she could play with girls in a league with her comparable skills? Are girls hockey leagues not good enough at the highest level?
 
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CanHockGuy said:
This girl is not better than most of the boys this is clear. I am only being the devils advocate here, but should a girl take up a spot on a team when she could play with girls in a league with her comparable skills? Are girls hockey leagues not good enough at the highest level?
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"Better than most" is not the issue here nor is that clear. If I'm not mistaken, the coach said she made the team. Only the parent (and maybe afew on the team) questioned her play.

--- Paul Macchia, Kayla’s coach, says he chose her to be on his team and never wanted her to leave.

“There’s always complaints from parents about ice time but I’ve never seen an issue where it has gone this far before,” he said. “I don’t know what they were trying to accomplish. It’s not an individual player losing a game. She made mistakes but so did others on the team. We’ve been the same since she left.” ----

But yes, maybe at this age she should be considering a top level girls organization rather than an A level boys team. That is what I would recommend to most girls I see who have the skills to challenge A level boys.
 
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videohockey said:
If I'm not mistaken, the coach said she made the team. Only the parent (and maybe afew on the team) questioned her play.
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You're right, she did make the team, and she should be playing. But could she not play on a comparable girls team? Please understand, I'm not against her playing on a boy's team really. Now I see you changed your post, then we agree.
 
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Again, IMHO, kids should be kids, and play because they love to play. My feeling is unless the girl is selected for a boys AAA team at 11 or 12, seek out the best girls org (AAA/Tier 1) and take advantage of the skills training offered in the area and thru the org. There are very few exceptions to this and most were because they had no other choice.

Note: Sorry for the added paragraph post-writ. I was adding the coaches quote and then gave my recommendation.
 
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videohockey said:
Again, IMHO, kids should be kids, and play because they love to play. My feeling is unless the girl is selected for a boys AAA team at 11 or 12, seek out the best girls org (AAA/Tier 1) and take advantage of the skills training offered in the area and thru the org. There are very few exceptions to this and most were because they had no other choice.
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Where should a boy play when he is better than everyone else?
 
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CanHockGuy said:
Where should a boy play when he is better than everyone else?
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Next contestant please. I've only had to deal with girls! :)

Seems he should be trying out for the next level at that age or go to the local selects team??? Ah, but that's also what you might recommend for the girl?
 
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Hockeydad4two said:
Who determines he's "better than everyone else?" You are opening a can of rotten worms here!
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Whatever do you mean? You don't get it. I'm talking about an over achieving kid here! A kid who is better than all of his peers. Where should he play! Up an age group or what!
 
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CanHockGuy said:
OK.... then should girls stay out of boy's hockey?
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No, assuming her association/club team permits girls to play with the boys, it should then be up to the individual to decide if she wants to try out. Then if she's good enough to make the team she should then play.
 
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D2D said:
No, assuming her association/club team permits girls to play with the boys, it should then be up to the individual to decide if she wants to try out. Then if she's good enough to make the team she should then play.
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Wrong......I have been on the fence for as long as my kid got to D1 hockey, and I have played and still coach to this day. But through experience I have grown to understand that there is no advantage for a man to play on a woman's hockey team. Women's hockey has grown leaps and bounds, much more, live the dream!
 
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CanHockGuy said:
Wrong......I have been on the fence for as long as my kid got to D1 hockey, and I have played and still coach to this day. But through experience I have grown to understand that there is no advantage for a man to play on a woman's hockey team.
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You must have not read my post as I did not say anything about a man playing on a woman's hockey team. I was referring to a young female player having the right to play on a predominately boys team, provided she's good enough and makes it based on her ability, the same as any boy player trying out. This assumes of course that the association (or club team) permits it.

Bear in mind, CanHockGuy, there are still areas - at least around here in the U.S. - that do not have established programs for young girls. Or maybe the level of play is so poor that it would be a waste of time for the one or perhaps two individuals that are far more talented and dedicated than the others. These girls should be given the opportunity to play the game at a competitive level, just like any boy.

In other areas where there are developed girls-only programs that offer good competition even for the most talented players, then it becomes a non-issue. Fortunately we are now getting to that point in more states and towns, but we are not all the way there yet.
 
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D2D said:
You must have not read my post as I did not say anything about a man playing on a woman's hockey team. I was referring to a young female player having the right to play on a predominately boys team, provided she's good enough and makes it based on her ability, the same as any boy player trying out. This assumes of course that the association (or club team) permits it.

Bear in mind, CanHockGuy, there are still areas - at least around here in the U.S. - that do not have established programs for young girls. Or maybe the level of play is so poor that it would be a waste of time for the one or perhaps two individuals that are far more talented and dedicated than the others. These girls should be given the opportunity to play the game at a competitive level, just like any boy.

In other areas where there are developed girls-only programs that offer good competition even for the most talented players, then it becomes a non-issue. Fortunately we are now getting to that point in more states and towns, but we are not all the way there yet.
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I totally agree with you. Girls, if they are good enough, should be able to play on boy's teams in that situation. I was just joking around when I mentioned the man playing woman's hockey...... Regardless, if the quality is there for the girl, whether she has to play a year or two up to get the competition, is it better for her to stay with her own gender?
 
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