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Games of 12/9: NECing at St. A's??? Say Cheese! River Falls! Happy 100 Kirk!!

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Final:

Cortland - 3 (2 EN's)
Buffalo State - 0

Cheers!!!
~TTF
 
Re: Games of 12/9: NECing at St. A's??? Say Cheese! River Falls! Happy 100 Kirk!!

UWSP 4
Adrian 2

End 2
 
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UWSP 4
Adrian 4

5:25 left in the 3rd.
 
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Overtime in Stevens Point.
 
Re: Games of 12/9: NECing at St. A's??? Say Cheese! River Falls! Happy 100 Kirk!!

UWSP 4
Adrian 4

Final - OT
 
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Final in Plattsburgh was 5-4 Geneseo. Plattsburgh put the game-tying goal in the net during the delay penalty against Geneseo with less than 1:30 in the game, but the ref (wrongly, IMO) blew play dead as the puck deflected off a Geneseo player in the build-up.

Tough way to lose a game, but I don't think you should reasonably expect to win a game where you're 1/8 on the Powerplay and your opponent is 3/10 on the man advantage.
 
Re: Games of 12/9: NECing at St. A's??? Say Cheese! River Falls! Happy 100 Kirk!!

I wouldn't mind seeing a video clip of the whistle in question, just to see for myself.
 
I wouldn't mind seeing a video clip of the whistle in question, just to see for myself.

It appears to deflect off of the Geneseo defensemans skate. I've seen it called both ways. Possession or touch. Again, consistency. Something that is severely lacking with officiating this year. Then again I guess its consistently inconsistent.
 
It appears to deflect off of the Geneseo defensemans skate. I've seen it called both ways. Possession or touch. Again, consistency. Something that is severely lacking with officiating this year. Then again I guess its consistently inconsistent.

If an individual ref is consistent from game to game, that's all you can ask for. The refs are individuals, not clones or robots.
 
Re: Games of 12/9: NECing at St. A's??? Say Cheese! River Falls! Happy 100 Kirk!!

If an individual ref is consistent from game to game, that's all you can ask for. The refs are individuals, not clones or robots.

One ref's touch is another ref's possession. It's a judgement call, and unlike some black and white rules, there's a big gray area, and it sounds like that play was in that area.
 
Re: Games of 12/9: NECing at St. A's??? Say Cheese! River Falls! Happy 100 Kirk!!

It appears to deflect off of the Geneseo defensemans skate. I've seen it called both ways. Possession or touch. Again, consistency. Something that is severely lacking with officiating this year. Then again I guess its consistently inconsistent.

From my seat with a very angle view of the goal, it did appear the goalie, aware of the delayed call, stopped playing when the moment the whistle blew, and the puck bounced around a bit and stopped in the net.
 
If an individual ref is consistent from game to game, that's all you can ask for. The refs are individuals, not clones or robots.
You're missing the point. It's not the calls, its the emphasis calls. This is a DIVISION WIDE emphasis. This is not baseball where one umps strikezone is 1/2 bigger than the next. The reffs as a whole need to get on the same page. You can not let things go (interference) for a couple games and then be called the next. If they want players to change the whole reffing group needs to be on the same page. And as I've said since day 1, this emphasis is beyond moronic. But its USA hockey trying to think they will change the game of hockey. Just like how you're not supposed to teach position until 10 and 12 years of age. No hitting till almost high school. You are taught at an early age to fight through sticks, fight through hands, take the body on a dump in, use your body position. I just went to a hockey camp in which all the above was worked on. When I told the instructor about the "new rules" he was beyond concerned. And he has been doing clinics for 20+ years all over. But just like the majority of things in the world these days, we have to coddle and make things easier so we don't have to work as hard. And no I am not saying the obvious hook downs, one handed take downs should be let go, we've all seen calls we are talking about. But as I said a month ago, when you can even stand the player up on a dump in when the puck is in your skates, it's gone too far. I can guarantee you coaches are not as pi $$ed about the calls as much as the consistency.
 
One ref's touch is another ref's possession. It's a judgement call, and unlike some black and white rules, there's a big gray area, and it sounds like that play was in that area.

No it actually is:


Possession and control is not a rebound off the goalkeeper, an opposing
player, the goal or the boards, or any incidental contact with the body or
equipment of an opposing player. Batting the puck with the hand or kicking
the puck is considered to be controlling the puck. Touching the puck (e.g.,
poke check or deflection) is not considered control of the puck.
 
No it actually is:


Possession and control is not a rebound off the goalkeeper, an opposing
player, the goal or the boards, or any incidental contact with the body or
equipment of an opposing player. Batting the puck with the hand or kicking
the puck is considered to be controlling the puck. Touching the puck (e.g.,
poke check or deflection) is not considered control of the puck.

If I intentionally redirect the puck, by any means, that is posession and control.

90% of USAH's new rules (Rule 411 anyone?) are a result of bad coaching. Bad habits should be corrected by coaches, but USAH has dumped the education (eradication?) of bad habits on the officials via more penalties and more severe penalties.

Once these kids get to the NCAA level, it's almost too late to reeducate them.

Oh and one more thing. Players can make mistakes, coaches can make mistakes. But the refs? Nope, they have to be 100% perfect every second of the game.
 
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No it actually is:


Possession and control is not a rebound off the goalkeeper, an opposing
player, the goal or the boards, or any incidental contact with the body or
equipment of an opposing player. Batting the puck with the hand or kicking
the puck is considered to be controlling the puck. Touching the puck (e.g.,
poke check or deflection) is not considered control of the puck.

This may be true in the rules, but the judgement comes on determining whether a puck that bounces off a skate was kicked or incidental contact without control, etc. The rule is clear, but the interpretation of that rule is still up to the official.
 
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