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Game of Thrones, Season V: Arya Ready?

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bigblue_dl said:
I agree on Ramsey. I don't know how it would happen, but I wouldn't be surprised if Brienne is responsible for his end.

On Jon, I don't know what he could lose north of the wall, no one that he is actually close to is going with him. The closest is Tormund, but if he died, I wouldn't consider it a huge loss for Jon. I have to think that Jon has to stay around for a little while longer. What is the point of the whole [redacted] stuff being hinted if they kill him off?
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I was thinking something within the Night's Watch itself would happen to cause a loss for John. Either a contingent of his men rise against him for aiding the Wildings, Roose Bolton attacks the Wall, worried that it's going to aid Stannis in taking the North, or perhaps something to Samwell specifically. I don't know what it'll be. I just know that nothing ever happens without repurcussions in this show, it's just a matter of (again) what and when.
 
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bronconick said:
They just got through hundreds of pages of Tyrion's trip through Essos in like 3 scenes. Nice.
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Agreed.
We got a dragon, the drowned city AND the creepy stone men in just one scene. Very nice :)

Although, I wonder how the lost-prince thing will be handled.
 
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owslachief said:
Agreed.
We got a dragon, the drowned city AND the creepy stone men in just one scene. Very nice :)

Although, I wonder how the lost-prince thing will be handled.
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Something tells me that that plot line will matter exactly as much in the books as it does on screen.

Or this is a nice way for the show to have it's own endgame that is COMPLETELY separate from that of the books.
 
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Bit of a more low-key episode, but there was plenty going on. Tyrion talks his way out of doom once again, and Theon has a decision to make.
 
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Soooo... I can't believe we haven't seen Bran and had an update from north of the wall.

I feel like that is an important part of the story.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Soooo... I can't believe we haven't seen Bran and had an update from north of the wall.

I feel like that is an important part of the story.
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I don't think Bran's story is on the docket for this season as I read somewhere that the actors for that story line were not listed for this season's cast. Perhaps they'll make a cameo appearance while Jon is north of the Wall next week.

As to whether or not there's a cock merchant, like the twitter link has a hard time accepting, it's located east of the Narrows Sea, not in Westeros. :p

Also, Roose Bolton is going to get the Theon/Reek treatment by Sansa at some point in the story. And Little Finger is still the sneakiest character around the land. I really haven't been able to predict his twists at all.
 
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St. Clown said:
I don't think Bran's story is on the docket for this season as I read somewhere that the actors for that story line were not listed for this season's cast. Perhaps they'll make a cameo appearance while Jon is north of the Wall next week.

As to whether or not there's a cock merchant, like the twitter link has a hard time accepting, it's located east of the Narrows Sea, not in Westeros. :p

Also, Roose Bolton is going to get the Theon/Reek treatment by Sansa at some point in the story. And Little Finger is still the sneakiest character around the land. I really haven't been able to predict his twists at all.
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I said it earlier. Littlefinger is the only person in this universe that truly knows how to play the "Game of Thrones". He's a couple episodes away from being in control of both the North and and Vale, all while the Lannisters are weaker than they've been in a long time (as Cersei explained this episode), and the Tyrells are obviously having some issues. It wouldn't surprise me if Littlefinger set the whole Sparrow thing in action too, by sending the High Sparrow to King's Landing.

Not spoiler, but theory is hidden in white: My theory for the High Sparrow is that he is actually Howland Reed. And if he is Howland Reed, I think it is possible that Reed and Littlefinger could be in cahoots, with the agreement that Littlefinger install Sansa as the leader in the North once he is done.
 
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I've seen reactions from people on twitter and facebook about this episode, saying that this is the last straw, and they're done with this series. Seriously? THIS is the last straw? You didn't see this coming? I mean, this is a show where the worst **** possible happens to the characters you like the most. If you didn't already have an inkling that this was where Sansa was heading, then you shouldn't have been watching this show to begin with.
 
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bronconick said:
It was telegraphed from the 2nd episode of this season.
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It absolutely was. Also, the EXACT same thing happened to Dany in like episode 3. Why did this time cause you to stop watching?

Also, JAIME RAPED HIS SISTER ON THE CORPSE OF THEIR INCEST-BORN SON!
 
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bigblue_dl said:
I've seen reactions from people on twitter and facebook about this episode, saying that this is the last straw, and they're done with this series. Seriously? THIS is the last straw? You didn't see this coming? I mean, this is a show where the worst **** possible happens to the characters you like the most. If you didn't already have an inkling that this was where Sansa was heading, then you shouldn't have been watching this show to begin with.
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Wait, what are they upset about? I thought this was one of the most interesting episodes of the season. Between the cavern of faces, the marriage scene, and of course the small matter of the queen getting arrested...
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Wait, what are they upset about? I thought this was one of the most interesting episodes of the season. Between the cavern of faces, the marriage scene, and of course the small matter of the queen getting arrested...
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I didn't realize there were people upset until I saw it on facebook and twitter this morning. I get the impression that people are upset about the last scene, with Ramsey and Sansa. Don't get me wrong, it was terrible, but terrible is what this show is. As long as there is a payoff, with Sansa rising to lead the North, or Brienne slicing open Ramsey's throat, or Reek redeeming himself, I can live with this as being a stepping stone in the overall story. The rise will have that much more impact if the depths are that much deeper. (all of this assumes that they don't kill off Sansa next episode)
 
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bigblue_dl said:
I didn't realize there were people upset until I saw it on facebook and twitter this morning. I get the impression that people are upset about the last scene, with Ramsey and Sansa. Don't get me wrong, it was terrible, but terrible is what this show is. As long as there is a payoff, with Sansa rising to lead the North, or Brienne slicing open Ramsey's throat, or Reek redeeming himself, I can live with this as being a stepping stone in the overall story. The rise will have that much more impact if the depths are that much deeper. (all of this assumes that they don't kill off Sansa next episode)
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My theory:

I'm almost positive Reek tells Sansa that he didn't kill the kids at some point. This will be a turning point for her where she gains the upper hand. You could tell he wanted to tell her in last night's episode. His face said everything. He was wrestling with his options. "Do I tell her and risk Ramsey punishing me or do I continue to let her hate me and let Ramsey continue to punish her?" I'm guessing Reek breaks out and kills Ramsey. I'm almost positive that you're right in that Sansa will rise to lead the north. WHich of course means GRRM will kill her off within the first five minutes of the next episode. :D
 
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The bigger concern with the show's treatment of rape is the way it doesn't seem to have too many consequences in the female characters.

Dany, I guess, just kind of bit the bullet and decided to just embrace being Khaleesi (which is both in keeping with the books and probably makes sense in terms of comparison to such real life arranged marriages).

Cersei and Jaime seemingly just kind of shrugged it off, even compared to how that scene plays out from the books.

Obviously we have no books comparison for Sansa here, but I don't have a lot of goodwill with the show when it comes to the idea of Sansa being very emotionally impacted by being raped. At this point, I kind of expect the rape to be more of a like a plot point/checkmark.
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
The bigger concern with the show's treatment of rape is the way it doesn't seem to have too many consequences in the female characters.

Dany, I guess, just kind of bit the bullet and decided to just embrace being Khaleesi (which is both in keeping with the books and probably makes sense in terms of comparison to such real life arranged marriages).

Cersei and Jaime seemingly just kind of shrugged it off, even compared to how that scene plays out from the books.

Obviously we have no books comparison for Sansa here, but I don't have a lot of goodwill with the show when it comes to the idea of Sansa being very emotionally impacted by being raped. At this point, I kind of expect the rape to be more of a like a plot point/checkmark.
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I think those first 2 instances were handled in the way those characters would have dealt with them, based on the way their characters were built up. Even Cersei, which was handled fairly poorly, according to most opinions, worked for me. Think of her character, what would she do if she faced emotional distress? Lock it up inside, pretend it didn't happen, and take out anger with whichever avenue available.

Sansa isn't built like Dany or Cersei. I sure hope they handle her differently, because he character wouldn't have handled it the same.
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
The bigger concern with the show's treatment of rape is the way it doesn't seem to have too many consequences in the female characters.

Dany, I guess, just kind of bit the bullet and decided to just embrace being Khaleesi (which is both in keeping with the books and probably makes sense in terms of comparison to such real life arranged marriages).

Cersei and Jaime seemingly just kind of shrugged it off, even compared to how that scene plays out from the books.

Obviously we have no books comparison for Sansa here, but I don't have a lot of goodwill with the show when it comes to the idea of Sansa being very emotionally impacted by being raped. At this point, I kind of expect the rape to be more of a like a plot point/checkmark.
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Part of the issue with handling rape in a show like this, if it's to be handled realisticly, is to think about how things like this were handled in the Middle Ages, the era of history for which GRRM used as the basis for his story, and not with our modern sensibilities. I have to assume women were affected by such actions then as they are now, but how did they then react to it? People were more accustomed to personal atrocities then than we are now - crimes were tolerated then that we find heinous now. Did women back then follow up by being subservient to the men in a male-dominated world or lash out to take back some semblence of theirselves? Just as today, it probably depends upon the individual. Thus far, Sansa has been fairly soft, things affect her and make her quail much easier than most of the other female leads. This season she has grown tougher, under Little Finger's tutelage, so we might not see her simply lash out but rather become more involved in some plot against Ramsey.
 
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For some perspective, lets take a walk down memory lane to look at some past sexual relationships on GoT.

Judging Parameters: Incest? Y/N Rape? Y/N Violence Involved? Y/N Pedo? Y/N Whoring? Y/N

Cersei & Jaimie - Incest, Rape
Jon & Ygritte - Violence Involved (Ygritte shot Jon with a ****ing arrow)
Joffrey & Roz - Violence Involved (Don't need much explanation), Whoring
Tyrion & Shae - Violence Involved (Tyrion killed Shae), Whoring
Dany & Drogo - Rape, Pedo
Margaery & Tommen - Pedo
Gilly & Craster - Incest, Rape, Pedo
Tywin & Shae - Violence Involved (Both were killed by Tyrion)
Robb & Talisa - Violence Involved (Both were killed)
Littlefinger & Lysa - Violence Involved (Littlefinger made Lysa fly)
Anything to do with Ramsey - Violence Involved, Rape

I think you can count on 1 hand the amount of sexual relationships in this show that aren't ****ed up in some disgusting way, or didn't directly lead to violence and death of one of the characters. What are they? Dany and her Pit Fighter? Oberyn and his paramour?
 
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When you list it all out like that, it is pretty impressive.

Gilly & Craster has Violence Involved too, given the way he died, so that one hits for the cycle.
 
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