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Game of Thrones Season 6: Lions and Wolves and Sand Snakes, oh my!

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ScoobyDoo said:
He's not in love with her.
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He believes in her. His eyes shine when he talks about how good a queen she'll be. He loves the ideal of Dany on the throne righting the wrongs of the world. For a Machiavellian pragmatist that is not a step in the direction of greater mental acuity.

"Never get high on your own supply." -- Biggie
 
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St. Clown said:
The Hound and Jon are the only other fighters holding to character. After that, you can really tell that new people are writing the lines for characters with large quantities of dialog.
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This episode was written by the show's creators.

And yeah, it was bad. Full of dumbness. As stated, you are the only force with air power, you don't use that to scout ahead. You fly within range of being able to be targeted? You anchor your entire fleet within range of being targeted?

And Sansa's just acting like a beech.


I was expecting Tyrion to buy it. And was expecting Missandei to jump from the wall instead of giving Cersei what she wanted.
 
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Kepler said:
He believes in her. His eyes shine when he talks about how good a queen she'll be. He loves the ideal of Dany on the throne righting the wrongs of the world. For a Machiavellian pragmatist that is not a step in the direction of greater mental acuity.

"Never get high on your own supply." -- Biggie
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Believing in someone and loving them are two completely different things. He doesn't love her that much or he wouldn't be discussing treason with Varys.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Agree on both points, however, it would have been better at this point just to have killed him now. The scene would have had a purpose then.
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Bronn will make one more appearance in the finale, showing up to betray Cersei in some direct manner when it collapses around her. Then it's a question of whether or not he's served his purpose and will be disposed of after-the-fact.
 
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St. Clown said:
Bronn will make one more appearance in the finale, showing up to betray Cersei in some direct manner when it collapses around her. Then it's a question of whether or not he's served his purpose and will be disposed of after-the-fact.
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Again, for a show that got it's wings on killing main characters it sure is hung up on some minor characters sticking around.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Believing in someone and loving them are two completely different things. He doesn't love her that much or he wouldn't be discussing treason with Varys.
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As I said, he loves an image of her as a savior. He's smart enough to be always thinking so yes he can form the conception of assassinating her to save Westeros. I think we are set up for Dany to beat Cersei only to have Tyrion do a murder / suicide to Save the Realm. Varys was absolutely right during their scene. Tyrion knew it intellectual but rebelled against it spiritually. But his conscience will eventually overcome his faith, tragically. They're setting him up to be Judas.

Cersei kills the last dragon.

Cersei kills Arya.

Cersei is about to kill Dany.

Jaime distracts Cersei for the critical second.

Cersei kills Jaime.

Grey Worm kills Cersei.

*Zion Dance Party*

Tyrion kills Dany and himself.

Cut to Jon holding his d-ck. Credits.
 
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Kepler said:
As I said, he loves an image of her as a savior. He's smart enough to be always thinking so yes he can form the conception of assassinating her to save Westeros. I think we are set up for Dany to beat Cersei only to have Tyrion do a murder / suicide to Save the Realm. Varys was absolutely right during their scene. Tyrion knew it intellectual but rebelled against it spiritually. But his conscience will eventually overcome his faith, tragically. They're setting him up to be Judas.
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He used to be clever. Now he's an idiot.
 
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Kepler said:
I agree about 90%. I won't call it a waste -- we needed a breather / final arc build episode. You can't just have crescendo after crescendo, that gets boring (cough Avengers cough).

There was an atypical amount of stupid in that episode, and I too wanted Tyrion to pay for the patent stupidities of the episode by being turned into a pin cushion. Though I did like Sansa in the episode, and Arya, and it takes something for me to say anything nice about a Stark.
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I have literally no idea why a woman who blew up a church full of people she didn't like didn't kill all forty people out there with a dozen giant scorpions. It ends her war on the spot. Parley rules? Again, she destroyed the Sept and could even argue she was putting down a rebellion if anyone complains. The problem with directors having only an outline instead of actual writing is that everything is now about wanting a spectacle and filling in the blanks around it so it looks cool.
 
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bronconick said:
I have literally no idea why a woman who blew up a church full of people she didn't like didn't kill all forty people out there with a dozen giant scorpions. It ends her war on the spot. Parley rules? Again, she destroyed the Sept and could even argue she was putting down a rebellion if anyone complains. The problem with directors having only an outline instead of actual writing is that everything is now about wanting a spectacle and filling in the blanks around it so it looks cool.
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This. That scene was ridiculous.
 
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Even at its worst the show is better than a lot of shows but it's gotten pretty bad recently. The previous ep had some big flaws but this one was pretty bad and you can tell being short on time meant rushing a lot of things that could've been fleshed out more subtly over a few episodes.
 
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trixR4kids said:
Even at its worst the show is better than a lot of shows but it's gotten pretty bad recently. The previous ep had some big flaws but this one was pretty bad and you can tell being short on time meant rushing a lot of things that could've been fleshed out more subtly over a few episodes.
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It almost seems like they didn't intend to get this far and now they just want it over with.
 
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bronconick said:
I have literally no idea why a woman who blew up a church full of people she didn't like didn't kill all forty people out there with a dozen giant scorpions. It ends her war on the spot. Parley rules? Again, she destroyed the Sept and could even argue she was putting down a rebellion if anyone complains. The problem with directors having only an outline instead of actual writing is that everything is now about wanting a spectacle and filling in the blanks around it so it looks cool.
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that sure looked a whole lot less than half the Unsullied.
 
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St. Clown said:
Bronn left for Winterfell in the very first episode of the season. We don't really know how long his journey was, and his appearance felt entirely within the context of the character.
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I guess my comment wasn't so much that Bronn wouldn't have had time to reach Winterfell as much as who would travel on a two week journey, only to have a glass of ale, stick around for two minutes, then leave? Furthermore, by not killing Tyrion or Jaime or both, he has revealed himself to Cersei as a traitor to her, should she end up winning. Seems like an ill conceived plan on his part.
 
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SJHovey said:
I guess my comment wasn't so much that Bronn wouldn't have had time to reach Winterfell as much as who would travel on a two week journey, only to have a glass of ale, stick around for two minutes, then leave? Furthermore, by not killing Tyrion or Jaime or both, he has revealed himself to Cersei as a traitor to her, should she end up winning. Seems like an ill conceived plan on his part.
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He bet on the dragons. He said as much.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
It almost seems like they didn't intend to get this far and now they just want it over with.
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Yeah who knows, I get that they have finite resources and so they probably needed to wrap up the show in 6 episodes for whatever reason (also the pace can be a bit plodding at times so I like that they're speeding it up a little...) but some of the stuff like Jaime just undoing all his character development and being knight buddies with Brienne (that whole scene would be tough to rewatch if you went through the series again)... it's not totally unforeseeable but it's just a total reversal without any real buildup or explanation.

Bronn scene was laughably bad. The end with the dragon/army five feet away but Cersei's gonna give them a chance to fight the final battle for some reason... :facepalm: That after the dragon dies because they didn't do any basic scouting like five feet from the coast of King's Landing... I get that the 2nd dragon probably had to die somehow and I can suspend my belief that the arrows somehow hit the moving target perfectly on the first shot 1000 yards away in the wind but it seemed kinda lazy how it all happened (she flies through all the arrows on her dragon somehow... :***: ) and then Dany barely shows any emotion after it happens.

There's other stuff I'm forgetting too but this isn't the first time a good show struggled towards the end.
 
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trixR4kids said:
Yeah who knows, I get that they have finite resources and so they probably needed to wrap up the show in 6 episodes for whatever reason (also the pace can be a bit plodding at times so I like that they're speeding it up a little...) but some of the stuff like Jaime just undoing all his character development and being knight buddies with Brienne (that whole scene would be tough to rewatch if you went through the series again)... it's not totally unforeseeable but it's just a total reversal without any real buildup or explanation.

Bronn scene was laughably bad. The end with the dragon/army five feet away but Cersei's gonna give them a chance to fight the final battle for some reason... :facepalm: That after the dragon dies because they didn't do any basic scouting like five feet from the coast of King's Landing... I get that the 2nd dragon probably had to die somehow and I can suspend my belief that the arrows somehow hit the moving target perfectly on the first shot 1000 yards away in the wind but it seemed kinda lazy how it all happened (she flies through all the arrows on her dragon somehow... :***: ) and then Dany barely shows any emotion after it happens.

There's other stuff I'm forgetting too but this isn't the first time a good show struggled towards the end.
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There was plenty of build up for Jamie and Brienne. Plenty. And they ruined it.
 
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