Frayed Ends: Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 3.0

[unofan]

For a time I grew up with a low level dealer next door in a rural setting. He plied his "trade" in a low key manner for a long time before finally getting busted. You have to catch people in the act and have probable cause. A steady stream of traffic isn't reason to bust down the door, especially with a prostitute unless you record a transaction taking place.

It is a reason to be suspicious and begin an investigation. And you don't need to bust down a door for a business operating without a license. You just walk in and see if they're open.

 

[Rover]

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It is a reason to be suspicious and begin an investigation. And you don't need to bust down a door for a business operating without a license. You just walk in and see if they're open.

Uh huh. I'm thinking people operating an illegal business might be a bit more careful than to just welcome strangers into their house while they're conducting whatever the illicit activity is....

 

[unofan]

Uh huh. I'm thinking people operating an illegal business might be a bit more careful than to just welcome strangers into their house while they're conducting whatever the illicit activity is....

We're presuming a world where prostitution is legal but regulated, remember? It's not an illicit activity at that point.

 

[joecct]

We're presuming a world where prostitution is legal but regulated, remember? It's not an illicit activity at that point.

But localities may or may not permit it (unless it's a protected right under the 14th Amendment) via zoning or specific legislation.

 

[unofan]

But localities may or may not permit it (unless it's a protected right under the 14th Amendment) via zoning or specific legislation.

Right, and my point is we don't have bootleg speakeasies or strip clubs in neighborhoods, so I disagree with Rover's belief that we'll have unlicensed brothels showing up in every neighborhood if prostitution is similarly legalized and regulated.

 

[Rover]

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Right, and my point is we don't have bootleg speakeasies or strip clubs in neighborhoods, so I disagree with Rover's belief that we'll have unlicensed brothels showing up in every neighborhood if prostitution is similarly legalized and regulated.

And my point wasn't brothels, which would be hard to hide, but a one woman hooker operation. Also, they're not showing up in every neighborhood, but they could be showing up in yours for a time. This business would be nearly impossible to "regulate" and its real easy to move around, unlike a bar.

 

[joecct]

And my point wasn't brothels, which would be hard to hide, but a one woman hooker operation. Also, they're not showing up in every neighborhood, but they could be showing up in yours for a time. This business would be nearly impossible to "regulate" and its real easy to move around, unlike a bar.

They happen now. No difference. As long as the line of "Gentlemen Callers" is not out the door and discretion is exercised, how is it different than the guy who repairs cars in his yard?

 

[Rover]

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They happen now. No difference. As long as the line of "Gentlemen Callers" is not out the door and discretion is exercised, how is it different than the guy who repairs cars in his yard?

Someone could very well be operating their own business. Or they could just be sluts and not charging at all! The point is, if the activity is illegal, you have a powerful legal recourse (the threat of arrest) to deter it or shut them down. If its legal, but merely a fine for violating zoning prohibitions, all you need do is make enough money to make the fine a minor cost of doing business. Much like how delivery services don't worry about getting parking tickets in the city I work in. If the penalty was getting towed, they'd change their behavior.

 

[joecct]

Someone could very well be operating their own business. Or they could just be sluts and not charging at all! The point is, if the activity is illegal, you have a powerful legal recourse (the threat of arrest) to deter it or shut them down. If its legal, but merely a fine for violating zoning prohibitions, all you need do is make enough money to make the fine a minor cost of doing business. Much like how delivery services don't worry about getting parking tickets in the city I work in. If the penalty was getting towed, they'd change their behavior.

Being a slut is not illegal.

In more relevant news, Liz strikes again. Though I would much prefer legislation than regulation to address the issue.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/pol...ty-managers/T1MONCwXG2bDIAuNFRLBVM/story.html

 

[Kepler]

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Being a slut is not illegal.

You leave Bristol Palin alone, buddy.

Though I would much prefer legislation than regulation to address the issue.

Typically they work hand-in-hand: Congress authorizes regulatory authority which is exercised at the discretion of the appropriate executive agency, with EOP guidance and Congressional oversight. I would think that regulation is far more flexible and timely than writing every specific jot and tittle into a statute.

 

[LynahFan]

Someone could very well be operating their own business. Or they could just be sluts and not charging at all! The point is, if the activity is illegal, you have a powerful legal recourse (the threat of arrest) to deter it or shut them down. If its legal, but merely a fine for violating zoning prohibitions, all you need do is make enough money to make the fine a minor cost of doing business. Much like how delivery services don't worry about getting parking tickets in the city I work in. If the penalty was getting towed, they'd change their behavior.

Jeebus. So make it a criminal offense after the 2nd fine or something like that. This is not rocket science. Today's laws and regulations already parse activities to the nth degree - and courts subdivide a thousand times smaller than that. Wanting to keep one aspect of an activity illegal is not an argument for keeping all aspects illegal. Criminalize the harmful activity and leave the rest alone.

 

[joecct]

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This is not good. But what do you do about it, Kimosabe?

 

[St. Clown]

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This is not good. But what do you do about it, Kimosabe?

I must be a mutant or Super Man being of some sort.

 

[Kepler]

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This is not good. But what do you do about it, Kimosabe?

Stopping supporting plute tax cuts, for one thing...

 

[Kepler]

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I must be a mutant or Super Man being of some sort.

I know you're joking, but what the chart means is that, say, the 40-year old male median income adjusted for inflation hasn't changed in 40 years. That's insanely depressing.

But if they want people to get REALLY mad they should limit it to white 40-year old male median income. That's probably gone down. Now that is serious -- it's not those undeserving coloreds who are getting the shaft, it's God's chosen color!

The TPers aren't bright, but they're not blind, either. They're just a classic case of bad aim.

 

[joecct]

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Stopping supporting plute tax cuts, for one thing...

plute? I went to Clarkson, not an Ivy.

 

[St. Clown]

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I know you're joking, but what the chart means is that, say, the 40-year old male median income adjusted for inflation hasn't changed in 40 years. That's insanely depressing.

But if they want people to get REALLY mad they should limit it to white 40-year old male median income. That's probably gone down. Now that is serious -- it's not those undeserving coloreds who are getting the shaft, it's God's chosen color!

The TPers aren't bright, but they're not blind, either. They're just a classic case of bad aim.

Yes, I certainly was. It's all statistical aggregations and that fun stuff of great use that people like to ignore in order to feel superior or ripped off when it suits them in life.

It'd be interesting to see if the data had demographic breakdowns or if it's stuck at the male/female level. Standard deviation values would also be very informative, likely by a percentage basis would be the most relevant in comparison over time.

 

[joecct]

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Nooz -- Pope embraces capitalism

 

[Kepler]

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plute? I went to Clarkson, not an Ivy.

World needs ditch diggers, too.

Plutocrats, coined by myself.

edit: DO NOT, under any circumstances, Urban Dictionary it.

 

[Kepler]

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Yes, I certainly was. It's all statistical aggregations and that fun stuff of great use that people like to ignore in order to feel superior or ripped off when it suits them in life.

It'd be interesting to see if the data had demographic breakdowns or if it's stuck at the male/female level. Standard deviation values would also be very informative, likely by a percentage basis would be the most relevant in comparison over time.

I assume the original data comes from the tax records, and that stuff is flippin' amazing -- you can group and cross-tab to your heart's content. That's one way Piketty got his amazing data.