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Frayed Ends: Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 3.0

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Corporate board members, by law, are required to make decisions based upon the best economic outcome for the company. So anyone who votes is to blame for corporate greed, not the corporations.

This is only marginally true. Corporate board members have a fiduciary duty to look out for the best interests of the company, yes. But only since the 80's has that meant profit above all else. The law allows them to consider other things in carrying out their duties, including the welfare of the workers, the impact on its community, the impact on its customers, etc.

The law allows them to consider profit above all else, but it does not require them to do so.
 
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This is only marginally true. Corporate board members have a fiduciary duty to look out for the best interests of the company, yes. But only since the 80's has that meant profit above all else. The law allows them to consider other things in carrying out their duties, including the welfare of the workers, the impact on its community, the impact on its customers, etc.

The law allows them to consider profit above all else, but it does not require them to do so.
It's always meant profit, first and foremost. It was just in the '80's that companies like KKR became very aggressive in forcing corporate boards to actually do something about it.
 
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It's always meant profit, first and foremost. It was just in the '80's that companies like KKR became very aggressive in forcing corporate boards to actually do something about it.

Heck, look what happened to Darden!
 
It's always meant profit, first and foremost. It was just in the '80's that companies like KKR became very aggressive in forcing corporate boards to actually do something about it.

Nope. The applicable fiduciary duties are a duty of loyalty and a duty of care: you have to put the welfare of the company above your personal interest, and you have to act with due diligence.

Nothing says you have to put shareholder profit above all else. You can, but you don't have to.
 
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It's always meant profit, first and foremost. It was just in the '80's that companies like KKR became very aggressive in forcing corporate boards to actually do something about it.

Um....I loved your first post in this string; at the same time, I think that the time frame over which one measures "profit" has changed, and the range over which "profit" was measured has changed as well.

How much can a local business profit if it is located in a community that is not thriving? In that model, "profit" had both a long-term time frame and, given past restrictions on mobility, "investing in the community" often made good economic sense as well. A local business could support a local trade school that trained future employees in skills that the business would then employ several years later, for example. Or it could help people through temporary times of economic hardship with some degree of confidence that, when conditions improved, it would be rewarded with increased customer loyalty.

The time frame has become much shorter (why invest for the future when I can flip this stock in six months?) and the scope over which "profit" was measured has become far more narrow.

One might say that, while businesses have always focused on profit, the ways in which they define and measure profit have changed.






As an aside, I would (naturally....) ascribe part of these changes to the expansion of the welfare state. Businesses used to support their communities as a form of enlightened self-interest, now that people have a "right" to be fed and housed by the government instead, there has been a form of "crowding out" so to speak: money that businesses once could afford to reinvest in the community has been taken away from them through higher taxes, the reasons they had to invest locally have become attenuated, and so businesses have responded in a perfectly understandable and predictable way to those changes.
 
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Nope. The applicable fiduciary duties are a duty of loyalty and a duty of care: you have to put the welfare of the company above your personal interest, and you have to act with due diligence.

Nothing says you have to put shareholder profit above all else. You can, but you don't have to.
Of course you have to put the welfare of the company ahead of your personal interests. But good luck arguing you've fulfilled your duty of care when the shareholders (especially the institutionals) discover that you passed up an opportunity to avoid tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars in tax obligations just by taking a few simple steps. If you're lucky you just get voted off the Board, and not sued.
 
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Medtronic didn't leave Minnesota. They left the country like the bunch of cnuty fcuks they are.
 
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Looks like a woman is getting on the $10 bill. http://www.ijreview.com/2015/06/347..._term=conservativedaily&utm_campaign=Politics

Any guesses?

Eleanor Roosevelt would be my choice.

I'd keep Hamilton on the $10.

But I'd put MLK on the $20.

There's no good woman to put on any currency yet. Elizabeth Cady Stanton is the closest. My wife had a great idea: Emma Goldman. Put her on a really big bill, too, as a middle finger to the whole process.
 
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Jackson believed in gold and commodities, and wanted nothing to do with fiat money, so that alone gets him my vote for replacement (the Trail of Tears is just the icing on the cake).

EDIT: It is shameful what his opponents did to attack his wife in a bid to sabotage his campaign though, so perhaps we've left him on the twenty out of sympathy?
 
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Jackson believed in gold and commodities, and wanted nothing to do with fiat money, so that alone gets him my vote for replacement (the Trail of Tears is just the icing on the cake).

To be fair to the anti-Jacksonians, for "commodities" above, read "slaves." :)

I know Jackson was famously against the Second Bank of the United States, but what was his attitude towards bank notes issued by the treasury? A bank note can be "hard money" if it is backed by gold reserves in the actual amount of the note, right? So printing a note on paper as distinct from minting a coin from specie should not have in itself raised Jackson's ire. Or so I'd have thought, anyway.
 
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Jackson was a firm believer in Article 1, Section 10. Gold and silver coin only. Back in the day, banks went through occasional periods where they could/would not redeem bank notes for specie (typically during an economic "Panic"). Jackson basically considered paper money to be a sketchy promise, not a specie-backed guarantee.
 
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As an aside, I would (naturally....) ascribe part of these changes to the expansion of the welfare state. Businesses used to support their communities as a form of enlightened self-interest, now that people have a "right" to be fed and housed by the government instead, there has been a form of "crowding out" so to speak: money that businesses once could afford to reinvest in the community has been taken away from them through higher taxes, the reasons they had to invest locally have become attenuated, and so businesses have responded in a perfectly understandable and predictable way to those changes.

Lol, please show proof of this cause effect relationship.
 
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I'd keep Hamilton on the $10.

But I'd put MLK on the $20.

There's no good woman to put on any currency yet. Elizabeth Cady Stanton is the closest. My wife had a great idea: Emma Goldman. Put her on a really big bill, too, as a middle finger to the whole process.

How soon we forget the Susan B Anthony dollar coin, or the Sacajawea golden dollar.
 
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Is there even a correlation?

If the area is already established, then there is. However, if you're starting something new and fancy, it's not evident. As an example, take a look at the communities being created as a result of the petroleum boom in North Dakota. Those are obviously created out of necessity. After a few years, I'm sure the businesses will taper off their community investment because it is no longer beneficial, from a tax standpoint, to do it. I'm not sure we'll see the same welfare influx, though, and my reasoning for that is the welfare state seen in Canada. None of them are in BC or Alberta where the jobs are. Instead, they're hanging around Ontario and Quebec. Provincial officials have been trying to get them to move out there and actually get to work, but they won't budge.
 
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I am not an advisor to the Rand Paul for President campaign, but it sure looks like he stole my income tax plan.

Rand: https://randpaul.com/issue/taxes (14.5% tax rate for individuals and corporate)

Me: 15% tax rate after deducting $45,000 for individuals and $1 million for corporations.
 
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I am not an advisor to the Rand Paul for President campaign, but it sure looks like he stole my income tax plan.

Rand: https://randpaul.com/issue/taxes (14.5% tax rate for individuals and corporate)

Me: 15% tax rate after deducting $45,000 for individuals and $1 million for corporations.

Could either of those really maintain the deficit at current levels? To say nothing of balancing the budget....
 
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