Re: Format for 2011 WCHA final Five
So you only went to the very first game of your regular season this year?
So you only went to the very first game of your regular season this year?
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Format for 2011 WCHA final Five
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ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Format for 2011 WCHA final Five
And I don't attend Gopher games - it's far too expensive, and the experience of watching them on a big screen tv at home trumps going to the arena and dealing with being surrounded by uptight d-bag fans (corpie sections) or drunken clueless frat morons in / near the student sections. After seeing how various people get treated over the years, I've concluded that I generally hate a significant portion of my own team's fanbase.
Based on how the team played, that one appeared to be meaningless too.
And I don't attend Gopher games - it's far too expensive, and the experience of watching them on a big screen tv at home trumps going to the arena and dealing with being surrounded by uptight d-bag fans (corpie sections) or drunken clueless frat morons in / near the student sections. After seeing how various people get treated over the years, I've concluded that I generally hate a significant portion of my own team's fanbase.
Re: Format for 2011 WCHA final Five
From what I read in the Strib, Thursday's games will be a single session with the first game at 4pm and the 2nd game at 7:30. At least that is what the WCHA is considering.
They will have to bump up the Thursday's ticket price to make up for having two games in one session. Then again, teams 3-6 play on Thursday. Better chance that the big draw teams (Gophers, Sioux) will have to play on Thursday, helping attendance.
I am looking forward to the change.
From what I read in the Strib, Thursday's games will be a single session with the first game at 4pm and the 2nd game at 7:30. At least that is what the WCHA is considering.
They will have to bump up the Thursday's ticket price to make up for having two games in one session. Then again, teams 3-6 play on Thursday. Better chance that the big draw teams (Gophers, Sioux) will have to play on Thursday, helping attendance.
I am looking forward to the change.
Re: Format for 2011 WCHA final Five
I like the new format and agree that the 3rd place game is meaningless, but I can see the travelers argument for the guaranteed two games. To that point, maybe that's a reason why not as many fans travel to the Regionals when their team could be one and done (insert SCSU joke here.) Fortunately for us Minnesotans we have the X in our backyard.
I like the new format and agree that the 3rd place game is meaningless, but I can see the travelers argument for the guaranteed two games. To that point, maybe that's a reason why not as many fans travel to the Regionals when their team could be one and done (insert SCSU joke here.) Fortunately for us Minnesotans we have the X in our backyard.
Eaglefan06
Quest to be the Best
Re: Format for 2011 WCHA final Five
The consolation game is a meaningless game because neither team wins anything. When you play in the regulation, you play for a shot at the NCAA tournament, when you play in the Quarterfinals, you win a shot at the Final Five, when you play in the Play-In game, you win a shot at the Semifinals, when you play in the Semis, you win a chance at the title, and when you play in the Finals you win a chance at the Trophy.
However, you win nothing in the 3rd place game other than an unwarranted chance to boost your PWR standing. You didn't earn that shot to boost your PWR standing, so why should you get it?
The consolation game is a meaningless game because neither team wins anything. When you play in the regulation, you play for a shot at the NCAA tournament, when you play in the Quarterfinals, you win a shot at the Final Five, when you play in the Play-In game, you win a shot at the Semifinals, when you play in the Semis, you win a chance at the title, and when you play in the Finals you win a chance at the Trophy.
However, you win nothing in the 3rd place game other than an unwarranted chance to boost your PWR standing. You didn't earn that shot to boost your PWR standing, so why should you get it?
aparch
Acetaminamerican
Re: Format for 2011 WCHA final Five
That "unwarranted chance to boost your PWR" are all some teams have while being a bubble team. While that "throw away" game may not mean much to a Wisconsin or Denver, Ferris State needed to win their third place game for a shot at making it.
Hell, had UMD beat UND, and lost in the semi-finals, they definitely could have used the third place game to posture themselves to not fall from the PWR.
Or Notre-Dame/Northern Michigan two years ago in the third place game, where a win or loss by Notre Dame put them into the Tourney. A tie to NMU would have eliminated ND.
If third place games are that useless, let's also eliminate them from holiday tournaments. They're also just "unwarranted chances at boosting your PWR" because you're not playing for a holiday tourney trophy.
That "unwarranted chance to boost your PWR" are all some teams have while being a bubble team. While that "throw away" game may not mean much to a Wisconsin or Denver, Ferris State needed to win their third place game for a shot at making it.
Hell, had UMD beat UND, and lost in the semi-finals, they definitely could have used the third place game to posture themselves to not fall from the PWR.
Or Notre-Dame/Northern Michigan two years ago in the third place game, where a win or loss by Notre Dame put them into the Tourney. A tie to NMU would have eliminated ND.
If third place games are that useless, let's also eliminate them from holiday tournaments. They're also just "unwarranted chances at boosting your PWR" because you're not playing for a holiday tourney trophy.
Re: Format for 2011 WCHA final Five
Well, if you don't get it, I can't explain it to you.
Well, if you don't get it, I can't explain it to you.
pyhtboss
Registered User
Re: Format for 2011 WCHA final Five
I wish the WCHA had kept the same ten-team tournament & five-team finals format as before, just drop the #11 and #12 teams from the post-season tournament. If you are a team in the basement of the regular season you don't deserve to compete in the post-season.
I wish the WCHA had kept the same ten-team tournament & five-team finals format as before, just drop the #11 and #12 teams from the post-season tournament. If you are a team in the basement of the regular season you don't deserve to compete in the post-season.
Runninwiththedogs
Tech Hot
Re: Format for 2011 WCHA final Five
I'm unsure of these local teams to which you are referring. I've got UMTC, yes, and then... is Augsburg D-1 now? or St. Thomas?
But the point is the regional and the Final Five are different things. We are talking about going from a Final Five with two guaranteed games to a Final Five without two guaranteed games. We are talking about a dropoff in attendance because of this change in the Final Five. The regional has nothing to do with it.
Last year, UW winning the 3rd place game meant UMTC was knocked out of the NCAA tournament, so we all won that day.
This format sucks. The only solution I like is dumping Buttmidji and UNO out of the conference again.
I'm unsure of these local teams to which you are referring. I've got UMTC, yes, and then... is Augsburg D-1 now? or St. Thomas?
But the point is the regional and the Final Five are different things. We are talking about going from a Final Five with two guaranteed games to a Final Five without two guaranteed games. We are talking about a dropoff in attendance because of this change in the Final Five. The regional has nothing to do with it.
Last year, UW winning the 3rd place game meant UMTC was knocked out of the NCAA tournament, so we all won that day.
This format sucks. The only solution I like is dumping Buttmidji and UNO out of the conference again.
bigblue_dl
Armed
Re: Format for 2011 WCHA final Five
How is this going to affect parking? How many people tailgating/drinking will the Final 5 attract next year, and is it enough to cause a parking shortage for a packed Wild game?
I don't think the Wild would do that to their season ticket holders. They will get their normal tickets and anyone that is at the Final 5 and wants to go to the Wild game would have to buy single game tickets.
How is this going to affect parking? How many people tailgating/drinking will the Final 5 attract next year, and is it enough to cause a parking shortage for a packed Wild game?
MinnesotaNorthStar
Minding the gap
Re: Format for 2011 WCHA final Five
There's no way they could do that. What do you do with people who have F5 tickets in other Wild season ticket holder's seats? If they make it part of the package who gets the seat and what do you do with the other person who wants to attend the game?
bigblue_dl
Armed
Re: Format for 2011 WCHA final Five
You just want your Final 5 seats for a Wild game!
MinnesotaNorthStar
Minding the gap
Re: Format for 2011 WCHA final Five
I would not mind shouting obscenities to Sidney Crosby so that he could hear them.You just want your Final 5 seats for a Wild game!
Re: Format for 2011 WCHA final Five
That's not the message I was getting from sconni fans after the regular season finale in which MN smoked them (wisconsin had nothing to play for, they'd locked up the #2 seed, and they were playing a backup goalie).
Re: Format for 2011 WCHA final Five
Ok stat geeks, here's your mission: how many times out of the past 10 years has a conference tourney (not a holiday mini-tourney or anything) actually affected a team enough for the NCAA's?
I'd venture to guess not very often.
That "unwarranted chance to boost your PWR" are all some teams have while being a bubble team. While that "throw away" game may not mean much to a Wisconsin or Denver, Ferris State needed to win their third place game for a shot at making it.
Hell, had UMD beat UND, and lost in the semi-finals, they definitely could have used the third place game to posture themselves to not fall from the PWR.
Or Notre-Dame/Northern Michigan two years ago in the third place game, where a win or loss by Notre Dame put them into the Tourney. A tie to NMU would have eliminated ND.
If third place games are that useless, let's also eliminate them from holiday tournaments. They're also just "unwarranted chances at boosting your PWR" because you're not playing for a holiday tourney trophy.
Ok stat geeks, here's your mission: how many times out of the past 10 years has a conference tourney (not a holiday mini-tourney or anything) actually affected a team enough for the NCAA's?
I'd venture to guess not very often.