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Fire Mike Eaves?

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Gwoz is 59. Hell, he played on the same team as Mike Eaves at Wisconsin.

yes, he was one year ahead of Eaves. my point is while I like Gwoz I don't think you start over with a coach approaching 60, even if he's successful he won't have a lot of time to produce. Berenson is an anomaly. same reason why I think hiring The Blaiser at Omaha was a mistake unless they're just looking for a short-term ramp-up and hiring someone young and successful to replace the legend after 5-7 years
 
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Reposted from the old UW thread:

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This is hillarious
 
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yes, he was one year ahead of Eaves. my point is while I like Gwoz I don't think you start over with a coach approaching 60, even if he's successful he won't have a lot of time to produce. Berenson is an anomaly. same reason why I think hiring The Blaiser at Omaha was a mistake unless they're just looking for a short-term ramp-up and hiring someone young and successful to replace the legend after 5-7 years

He'd have at least 5-6 years left, and then his recruits live on another 1-3 years after him. I think it would be way worth it. Other than Blasi, there really isn't someone who really turns my crank. This is one of those targets of opportunity that come along in life that you really can't ignore.

I know he said UW's time had passed, but getting blindsidely axed the way he did is a life changer.
 
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You should see the attendence pictures on Twitter. There is probably 4 to 5 thousand people there.
 
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You bumped this? I thought you said they were gonna win tonight (after being down 3-0)? It's still too early and if Rumpel was playing it would be 1-1 at the worst case.


The :p and the :D should have tipped off my intent. ;)
 
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You should see the attendence pictures on Twitter. There is probably 4 to 5 thousand people there.

A bunch of people filed in late, so it was a little better. I don't think it was notably less than the paid attendance. That said, remembering the sellout (and it was really packed, even the obstructed views) on senior night in 2011, when the team was way out of it all, and comparing it to the crowds these days...it's sad. If the amount of energy I felt tonight could be multiplied out to even an 11-12K crowd, it woudl be so much better. Both myself and other fellow Crease Creatures are making a bit more of a direct effort to keep up all the chants and traditions, as all we can do is make the experience as best as it can be.
 
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A bunch of people filed in late, so it was a little better. I don't think it was notably less than the paid attendance. That said, remembering the sellout (and it was really packed, even the obstructed views) on senior night in 2011, when the team was way out of it all, and comparing it to the crowds these days...it's sad. If the amount of energy I felt tonight could be multiplied out to even an 11-12K crowd, it woudl be so much better. Both myself and other fellow Crease Creatures are making a bit more of a direct effort to keep up all the chants and traditions, as all we can do is make the experience as best as it can be.

It is odd that there is such a drop off. I guess hockey is becoming less and less of an interest of people on campus and the area?
 
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It is odd that there is such a drop off. I guess hockey is becoming less and less of an interest of people on campus and the area?

"On campus" and "in the area" are both isssues, but entirely different issues. As a current student, I can say much more about the "on campus" part, though as students graduate, it directly affects the non-student fan base. Hockey seems to be promoted as a footnote compared to the all-powerful football that doesn't have attendance problems...but it's FOOTBALL! (If you can't tell, I'm saying that snarkily.) The students who do show up are still what you've heard about the Wisconsin student section, but they're just less numerous. If a basketball game happens to be very, very close, then the student section there can match a hockey student section from the first 5 minutes last night (having every reason to feel "flat"). Random people don't know very much about college hockey, while plenty of other fans know a ton about it, because they seeked out the information themselves. (The amount of college hockey knowledge among student fans would absolutely bewilder the more arrogant Gopher fans.) Once fans get exposed, they pretty much always like it. Personally, I don't understand how you can identify as a sports fan, be a current student, and not want to go to hockey games. My buddies and I struggle to get chants going at basketball games. At hockey games, I can yell some amusing observation about the opponent in chant form, and everyone keeps it going. It's amazing how much the hockey student section has shrunk, while still easily being the best student section we have.

They've started reaching out more after just saying "hey, you can buy hockey season tickets" in previous years. Obviously, there's no magic button they can press to fill the arena, so I give them credit for showing they care a little.

As for in the area, I'm not exposed to the same news and coverage other locals are. If local media covered it a lot more, I think more people would see it as one of our marquee sports, rather than the most popular of the "other" sports. As I said in the Wisconsin season thread, a "Rumpel Out for the Weekend" article or some LSSU series preview on the front of the Wisconsin State Journal's sports page would make a huge difference. You don't promote hockey by saying the goalie is injured, but by getting that news fed to you rather than seeking it out, it changes your mindset. I wish I had a better of idea of where Badger hockey stands in the minds of the locals, and how it compares to 5, 10, and 20 years ago.

What I find most bizarre is the sheer amount of hockey apparel I see on people around campus compared to other sports doesn't seem to translate into student season ticket sales. It's possible that there are hockey fans who simply aren't becoming Badger hockey fans, writing it off as an "extra" sport, not knowing it's pretty relevant to the sport as a whole, just like NCAA football is. Tons of students, who may be NHL fans, come from places where college hockey is an unknown, but if they're American, college football and basketball have been beaten into their minds. They know what they're getting with basketball and football. They need to be introduced to college hockey. That's the challenge.

Let me tell you this - hockey is popular here. There's something more at play. People who used to go to more games but don't anymore most likely didn't just lose their interest in hockey. I don't know of any sports fans who just stop watching a sport like that. With diminished TV coverage, they may have lost touch with the Badgers, but I doubt they stopped caring about hockey at all. (But seriously, get the freakin' games on TV.) When I walked into Dick's Sporting Goods in Madison, I was amazed at the hockey section. Lots of equipment, and they even had a fairly wide selection of skates! The only place you can get that where I'm from is at pro shops. Our sporting goods stores have a small selection of street and ice hockey sticks, but not all the equipment they had up here. No, I'm not from Louisiana. I'm from the immediate DC suburbs, where the Capitals are as popular as ever, and there are quite a few nearby ice rinks (3 near me on my side of the river) with plenty of hockey being played. Tons of people playing hockey at local parks in the winter is something I could have only dreamed of, but it's reality here in Madison.
 
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It is odd that there is such a drop off. I guess hockey is becoming less and less of an interest of people on campus and the area?

After that last wall of text, I want to say more - Look at Michigan State.

When they were a power, they packed Munn. Yes, it's smaller than the Dane County Coliseum was, and much smaller than the Kohl Center, but their fans aren't too pleased with their attendance issues these days. That game against Michigan that drew 7,000 last year looked awesome, but they've been drawing less than 5,000 this year, and a few years ago they were in that range as well. If they can continue what they did some of last year and revive some fan interest, I see no reason Wisconsin can't, given the history and images of 13,000+ filling the Kohl Center. Step one in my mind is to charge only about 10 or 11 dollars for the 300-level seats. That's not just because of current attendance issues; I just don't understand how limited or obstructed views are only 4 dollars less than the best seats in the house. From there it gets more complicated, but if they can reach out to the local hockey scene, that would be great. Hopefully they can have a constructive, rather than destructive relationship with the new USHL team. Perhaps some partnership with the Milwaukee Admirals? From what I understand, Badger hockey is much less prominent in Milwaukee, but it's not a ridiculous place to find new fans. They won't be part of the regular base of attendees, but it's something.
 
Re: Fire Mike Eaves?

After that last wall of text, I want to say more - Look at Michigan State.

When they were a power, they packed Munn. Yes, it's smaller than the Dane County Coliseum was, and much smaller than the Kohl Center, but their fans aren't too pleased with their attendance issues these days. That game against Michigan that drew 7,000 last year looked awesome, but they've been drawing less than 5,000 this year, and a few years ago they were in that range as well. If they can continue what they did some of last year and revive some fan interest, I see no reason Wisconsin can't, given the history and images of 13,000+ filling the Kohl Center. Step one in my mind is to charge only about 10 or 11 dollars for the 300-level seats. That's not just because of current attendance issues; I just don't understand how limited or obstructed views are only 4 dollars less than the best seats in the house. From there it gets more complicated, but if they can reach out to the local hockey scene, that would be great. Hopefully they can have a constructive, rather than destructive relationship with the new USHL team. Perhaps some partnership with the Milwaukee Admirals? From what I understand, Badger hockey is much less prominent in Milwaukee, but it's not a ridiculous place to find new fans. They won't be part of the regular base of attendees, but it's something.

since we're talking attendance

the move to the KC was great in terms of shiny new amenities but it was horrible for atmosphere. Anyone who was a season ticket holder or even an interloper will tell you the games at the Dane County Colesium had an aura about them, particularly from 1995 and back (in other words when they were consistently great!)

the cheers were numerous (Rumble Rink, "Hi Gary" or whomever was the big penalty taker for UW, the chants when the opposition scores etc), the banners added an element of hominess (Canadian Club et al) and the band was right on the glass (until around 92-93???). and the students were nuts. there was one guy I recall who reminded me of John Belushi, he was at all the games in the late 80's at the Dane, yelling his face off and it was mostly hilarious.

it was an intimidating atmosphere for opponents and fun for fans. Also, you had alcohol and it made it seem like a friggin Blackhawks game.

today they play in the KC where:
- students can't bring in banners like Canadian Club
- students can't bring in gopher's on a stick or huskies or whatever
- the blue line club was eliminated (and don't underestimate how popular that was with a segment of fans)
- students can't even bring in signs unless they're so small you can fit them in your pocket
- the admin wants to remove the championship and wcha banners (btw were the ncaa appearances and wcha banners up last night?)
- cost of parking increased
- cost of tickets increased to $24

add those up and throw in this...the hockey team was the king of the UW campus from the late 60's or early 70's through about 1992-3 when football and basketball began to win consistently. suddenly Hockey has to compete with winning teams in sports more people recognize and let's face it more people love (and that makes me puke but it's the truth). at the same time from 1995 to the present Wisconsin has not been a college hockey power. they've been up and down.

up w/Heatley for 2 seasons after about 5 consecutive sub-par seasons then down again, up w/Eaves for 04-06 then down and up and down and up. That's 18 years of UW not being a national power but more of an interloper on that stage. That will shake up the fanbase whether we like it or agree with it or not.

I know I myself have become less interested in the team over the past 3-4 years myself. part of it is life (getting busier) and part of it is all of the above.

and the final thing is something that I know people on this board shoot down but I've spoken with many alumni who feel this way: the game (today's UW) isn't as fun to watch, period. Go back and watch a UW hockey game under Sauer or Johnson. Run and Gun, almost the entire game. there are teams that still play that way today (BC, MN, Michigan to name a few). Those teams were incredibly fun to watch.

anyway, .02
 
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and the final thing is something that I know people on this board shoot down but I've spoken with many alumni who feel this way: the game (today's UW) isn't as fun to watch, period. Go back and watch a UW hockey game under Sauer or Johnson. Run and Gun, almost the entire game. there are teams that still play that way today (BC, MN, Michigan to name a few). Those teams were incredibly fun to watch.


Style of play is a factor whether some around here will acknowledge it or not.


Badger hockey is often dreadfully boring to watch. And it's not just about the end result. Fresh on my mind is the second game against NMU. I was there and we won and I was mostly bored off my ***.
 
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since we're talking attendance

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- the admin wants to remove the championship and wcha banners (btw were the ncaa appearances and wcha banners up last night?)
......

No the WCHA banners, NCAA and frozen four banners were AWOL. They had the 6 national titles right along the top of the safety net in the student section end of the ice.
 
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Why in the hell would they do that?

because you know that giant cube of air/empty space 80 feet off the ice? they can beam 3-d images of Darth Alvarez up there so the football fans can show up and pay homage;) (actually hell, they can maybe put 4k more people in there if they do that!)

seriously it's dumb and it's agitated this fan (and I'm sure others) to no end and I haven't even been to a game yet. I'm ****ed at the very notion of this.

Barry, Cerniglia, the entire admin can go as far as I'm concerned. they've offered no real explanations and given weeks of time they've not (obviously) put the banners back where they belong.

*******http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...er-night-season-opener-jonathan-toews********

they look just fine at the UC as has been stated ad nauseum
 
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