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Final Four Moving Back to Campus Sites

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norm1909 said:
Or from the promoters perspective -

Having the DIII and DI tournaments will enhance DI. I can't think of any reason why a DIII fan wouldn't jump on the chance to watch a DI game, what an opportunity. Having the DIII men and women's tournament at the same venue would marginalize the experence for the women. Also, a neutral site is much preferable than a college campus, the DI venue, known in advance, can provide for a much larger fan participation,(and $$ for NCAA), ease of public access and with a site that offers an economy of scale for both DI & DIII. DIII will provide upwards of 6,000 fans for a final, and that will help entice the marketing potential to the championship host.
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Combine the men's and women's at a single site - that is a no-brainer.

The combined DI/DIII finals is just a non-starter. The logistics on dates and the thought that even if the finals drew twice what they do at Placid would leave an incredible number of empty seats. Talk about people rattling around the venue. To me it makes no sense, while the combined men's/women's championship does. Norwich has shown with a combined ECAC East championship weekend the last two years that it can be done (and done very well), so the NCAA with all their resources could certainly pull it off.
 
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norm1909 said:
Or from the promoters perspective -
Having the DIII and DI tournaments will enhance DI. I can't think of any reason why a DIII fan wouldn't jump on the chance to watch a DI game, what an opportunity...DIII will provide upwards of 6,000 fans for a final, and that will help entice the marketing potential to the championship host.
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Just my thoughts - If D3 fans are in town with nothing better to do and wanted to watch from lousy seats (D1 fans get the best seats to their games), I suppose some D3 fans would watch in person... Is D1 hockey in such bad shape they have to import fans (D3) to fill the house???

If you want to be generous, let's assume LP drew a total of 4,000 D3 fans this past weekend - a good number of them (my guess 1,200 on Friday night from Oz) with several hundred MORE arriving on Saturday...the weather was perfect for a drive to the ADK. So why there would be 6,000 in a place like Tampa (or anywhere else not in the Northeast) given distance, $$$, time, $$$...did I say $$$?

I should amend my "northeast" remark to point out that if the D1/D3 tourney was in MPS/St Paul, there would be precious few D1 tickets for D3 fans....but there would be more fans than a place like Tampa...

I will go out on a limb and say HALF of the D3 crowd stays home...so now you are back to a crowd that looks like the Pathfinder during Winter break 1,800 if the snow depths in Oz are under 3 feet

Oh, what about the D1 fans you ask? They will be busy consuming free food and beer provided by their Alumni Office and Booster Club pre-gaming for the reason they made the trip....and they don't bring their kids to watch Oswego or St Norbert when they have junior already committed to Michigan...

It seems we are all preaching to the choir here - if you share this opinion and want to preserve our little place in the hockey universe, then contact your college President, AD, Coach and Alumni/Development Office asap and keep the opinions flowing...it may help - it may not, but doing nothing will accomplish nothing IMHO....
 
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NUProf said:
Combine the men's and women's at a single site - that is a no-brainer.

The combined DI/DIII finals is just a non-starter. The logistics on dates and the thought that even if the finals drew twice what they do at Placid would leave an incredible number of empty seats. Talk about people rattling around the venue. To me it makes no sense, while the combined men's/women's championship does. Norwich has shown with a combined ECAC East championship weekend the last two years that it can be done (and done very well), so the NCAA with all their resources could certainly pull it off.
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I think if it was a "no brainer" the NCAA would have just the team to put it in place.

I also think the combination of the DI & DIII championships is a done deal - and that it goes back to 2009.*

* "Fall 2008: Solicit bids for the Men’s Frozen Four for 2013, 2014 and 2015 (to be awarded in the summer of 2009)."

NCAA Awards Frozen Four to Pittsburgh in 2013 and Philadelphia in 2014 - but NOT 2015 - the proposed combination date (which STILL hasn't been announced)
 
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norm1909 said:
I think if it was a "no brainer" the NCAA would have just the team to put it in place.

I also think the combination of the DI & DIII championships is a done deal - and that it goes back to 2009.*

* "Fall 2008: Solicit bids for the Men’s Frozen Four for 2013, 2014 and 2015 (to be awarded in the summer of 2009)."

NCAA Awards Frozen Four to Pittsburgh in 2013 and Philadelphia in 2014 - but NOT 2015 - the proposed combination date (which STILL hasn't been announced)
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Are you suggesting we just lay back and enjoy it?
 
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LakerEagleLover said:
Are you suggesting we just lay back and enjoy it?
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Some would say that is the best way to deal with getting screwed ;)

In all seriousness, at this point, I think at a minimum, the NCAA is going to implement it, at least on a trial basis, there appears to have been way to much effort (based on the time frames) that it has reached terminal velocity.

What should "we" do? IMO, think of ways to make lemonade and push for more transparancy in the quasi-public entity known as the NCAA. Something of this magnitude should not have gone under the radar for as long as it did.
 
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It's pretty clear that this is about the almighty dollar. If the NCAA can save 50% of what they spend on the D3 FF by combining it with the D1 FF, then that's what they're going to do. The thoughts of D3 fans don't seem to register much. If they can save money, that's what they'll do.

What you'll end up with is 4 D3 teams playing their semifinal games in a near empty arena, since many of the D3 fans who usually go to the FF won't pay the extra money to see a combined FF. I know I probably won't. Of the D1 fans that are there, most may not care to watch D3. Like Lou said they'll be killing time before the D1 games start by pregaming at alumni events. But in the eyes of the NCAA, they're still saving money.

Of course, the same thing can be said of combining the men's and women's FF.
 
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LakerFan99 said:
It's pretty clear that this is about the almighty dollar. If the NCAA can save 50% of what they spend on the D3 FF by combining it with the D1 FF, then that's what they're going to do. The thoughts of D3 fans don't seem to register much. If they can save money, that's what they'll do.

What you'll end up with is 4 D3 teams playing their semifinal games in a near empty arena, since many of the D3 fans who usually go to the FF won't pay the extra money to see a combined FF. I know I probably won't. Of the D1 fans that are there, most may not care to watch D3. Like Lou said they'll be killing time before the D1 games start by pregaming at alumni events. But in the eyes of the NCAA, they're still saving money.

Of course, the same thing can be said of combining the men's and women's FF.
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It also doesn't require even as much as saving the NCAA "50% of what they spend on the D3 FF by combining it with the D1 FF", I suspect they are actually looking at boosting their DI sponsorship & coverage revenue - a modest 10% boost is likely to far exceed any downside to DIII. I do think that the DIII presidental leadership will have to be considered by the NCAA wantabes (bulk of the committee members), so some consideration to the impact on DIII fans will be made, I don't think it will be as bad as it appears (i.e. comparing past DI's with future DI/DIII's), but I do think it will seldom yield a net gain for DIII fans. Perhaps the best thing would be to see Lake Placid become a permanent host for the east DI/DIII Regionals.
 
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norm1909 said:
It also doesn't require even as much as saving the NCAA "50% of what they spend on the D3 FF by combining it with the D1 FF", I suspect they are actually looking at boosting their DI sponsorship & coverage revenue - a modest 10% boost is likely to far exceed any downside to DIII. I do think that the DIII presidental leadership will have to be considered by the NCAA wantabes (bulk of the committee members), so some consideration to the impact on DIII fans will be made, I don't think it will be as bad as it appears (i.e. comparing past DI's with future DI/DIII's), but I do think it will seldom yield a net gain for DIII fans. Perhaps the best thing would be to see Lake Placid become a permanent host for the east DI/DIII Regionals.
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I threw the 50% number out there arbitrarily. I seem to remember reading that the NCAA had budgeted close the $400,000 for the D-3 tourney. Something tells me they won't spend nearly that much when they combine it with D-1. That PLUS sponsorship opportunities is a win-win for the NCAA.
 
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I think there might be a bit of crossover from D1 fans coming to watch D3 games. Certainly a lot of them wouldn't, but some are just plain hockey fans that love watching hockey at assorted levels and would probably enjoy watching some D3 games in addition to their planned D1 games. I'd classify myself as primarily a D1 hockey fan, but I also enjoy following D3 hockey and if I was in town when both tournaments were going, I'd try to catch games at both levels.
 
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And if you tack on $5 to $7 more per ticket for the pleasure of watching a 3d game so much the better.
 
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I know we were real happy to help the NCAA keep costs down (money in their pockets) at Lake Placid by "downloading the program onto our smartphones..." NOT!
 
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ColdInRomney said:
I know we were real happy to help the NCAA keep costs down (money in their pockets) at Lake Placid by "downloading the program onto our smartphones..." NOT!
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The NCAA wanted us to download the program...with what? The wifi that didn't work after 8pm Friday? Or the 3G that hardly worked the whole weekend? Not that either of those is the NCAA's fault. We know whose fault it is...:D
 
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norm1909 said:
Oswego's :confused: :eek: :p
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The horse is dead, Norm...:rolleyes:

Deceased Animal Disposal Laws: N.Y. Agric. & Mkts. Law § 377. Disposal of dead animals
(1) The carcasses of large domestic animals, including but not limited to horses, cows, sheep, swine, goats and mules, which have died otherwise than by slaughter, shall be buried at least three feet below the surface of the ground or otherwise disposed of in a sanitary manner by the owner of such animals, whether the carcasses are located on the premises of such owner or elsewhere. Such disposal shall be completed within seventy-two hours after the owner is directed to do so by any peace officer, acting pursuant to his special duties, police officer, or by a designated representative of the commissioner.:D
 
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LakerEagleLover said:
The horse is dead, Norm...:rolleyes:

Deceased Animal Disposal Laws: N.Y. Agric. & Mkts. Law § 377. Disposal of dead animals
(1) The carcasses of large domestic animals, including but not limited to horses, cows, sheep, swine, goats and mules, which have died otherwise than by slaughter, shall be buried at least three feet below the surface of the ground or otherwise disposed of in a sanitary manner by the owner of such animals, whether the carcasses are located on the premises of such owner or elsewhere. Such disposal shall be completed within seventy-two hours after the owner is directed to do so by any peace officer, acting pursuant to his special duties, police officer, or by a designated representative of the commissioner.:D
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Are you sure, perhaps beating it (CPR), might ....:p
 
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