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Expand The Brackets?

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What we need is a system that combines a formula resulting from a team's record combined with its opponent's and opponent's opponent's record, along with its record against other highly rated teams (say 25 or so) and its record against the same opponent's that another team played, then compare each highly rated team so see who wins the most of them, then take the top 16 or so, removing those at the bottom to be replaced by team who won some sort of bid awarded by their conference for whatever the conference wants, possibly some postseason tournament of some sort, then split those teams into bands and place one team from each band at a separate location.

We can call this system Billy and the Clone-a-sauras.
 
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How can anyone talk about expanding the tourney field since we've lost four programs and a conference since 2003?
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
We need to worry about having more D-I programs such that we can justify the 16-team field before we even think of asking for something beyond that. Get to 64 teams (that's 6 more programs, assuming no one else folds) and we're good with what we got.

I think we'd need to get to 70 teams before we even dream of an 18 team field, 80 teams before we think of a 20 team field.
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Agreed. Personally, I think it would be a great move for College Hockey, Inc. to get together with all of the hockey booster clubs across the land. You have them chip in like one percent of what they all give to their own school, pool that money together to set up endowments at schools to fund Hockey where it would be a pretty logical fit, or even have had it in the past. You set it up so that the endowment would be for the establishment and funding of a college hockey program, and usable for both men's and women's teams. You would have to think it would pretty dang hard for an athletic director to say no to adding a Men's hockey if a women's program would already be paid for before they even sold a ticket or advertising space on a program. I would say that somewhere around $20,000 a year would be a good amount to seed a new endowment every year, and clearly, College Hockey Inc. could work with boosters of those targeted schools in getting them to contribute even more cash into that endowment, so that they would eventually have enough to be able to fund a major portion of a hockey program, and in general, help more of a grass roots organization to bring College Hockey to that campus. Probably at some of the bigger schools, like Penn State and Syracuse, you could probably start off with a little less perhaps, like maybe just $10,000. Might just depend on what individual schools rules are on starting endowments perhaps.

Just to throw out some names on the schools that I would like to see targeted......
PSU, Syracuse, Pitt, Cincinnati, Louisville, Kentucky, Chicago, Kent State, Wayne State, Grand Valley State, Central Michigan, North Dakota State, Iowa, Colorado, Colorado State, Oregon, Montana. You nudge the ball a little at these schools, and College Hockey would be a lot better off than what it at right now. And then you can talk about expanding the brackets more.
 
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I didn't read through the entire thread, so forgive me if this has been mentioned already. But instead of expanding it to 20 or whatever, I think a good compromise would be a play-in game between the lowest non-AQ and the first team out (AKA #17). I'm not positive who that'd be this year (Maine? Ferris? Union?), but I'm not really sure Vermont deserves to be in the tournament, so I think it'd be fair if they played the first team out to see which SHOULD be in the tournament.

Is anyone REALLY going to argue against more hockey being played?! ;)
 
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kdiff77 said:
I didn't read through the entire thread, so forgive me if this has been mentioned already. But instead of expanding it to 20 or whatever, I think a good compromise would be a play-in game between the lowest non-AQ and the first team out (AKA #17). I'm not positive who that'd be this year (Maine? Ferris? Union?), but I'm not really sure Vermont deserves to be in the tournament, so I think it'd be fair if they played the first team out to see which SHOULD be in the tournament.

Is anyone REALLY going to argue against more hockey being played?! ;)
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That puts a significant delimiter between 15 and 16. Most years that sort of difference is probably not justified.
 
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I say eight teams selected in a smoke filled room play two-game total goals series on campus sites with beer for all. Old time hockey.
 
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How about a round-robin tourney, with each each team visiting each others' barns?

It is really the fairest way to do it.
 
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Forget the tournament all together.
All 58 teams should just get a "Thank You For Participating" plaque.
 
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Dirty said:
Hockey should beat basketball to the punch and have a 96 team tournament. Include 38 DIII teams.
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Cant believe it, but Im with Dirty. and if the D!!! schools cant free up the schedules, then extend it to HS teams.

stev
 
Expand The Brackets?

I just threw this out to see the reactions. Interesting, especially the sour grapes post. No matter how many teams are in the draw, the next one not
selected is going to be upset. I agree that we don't want to water down the field by overloading it, but there is more parity in D1 hockey, and I think it
could handle a modest expansion. I guess the bottom line summary is, "if
it ain't broke, don't fix it".
 
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WILD E WOLVERINE said:
No going back - 12 teams meaning a team could possibly need only 3 wins for a national championship...no way. I like the 16, if college hockey expands expand the tournament.
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So you're saying that no national title won before 2003 was worth all that much? Interesting...
 
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College hockey should expand the tourney to 36 heck lets have everybody make the tourney.
 
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Tournament expansion is dumb... even in BB.

Both the NCAA hockey tournament and NCAA basketball tournament work fine the way they are. Honestly what bubble school this year in hockey can really say it deserves to be in the tournament? If you can't get up to whatever is required for the year as an at-large (14 this year) then you shouldn't be in the tournament. If you didn't make the tournament, you didn't take care of business. We on the BU forum know with two regular season victories @ UVM we would have made it high enough to get into the tournament, but we didn't so we stay home, no *****ing.

58 teams... 16 in the tournament = 27.6
347 teams... 65 in the tournament = 18.7

If college basketball does expand to 96 teams (which is a stupid idea) the percentage will be 27.66 or pretty much the same as the current hockey system. Why would bubble teams even want the tournament expanded? It's supposed to be something you EARN! As a Northwestern basketball fan (go ahead, joke away) I'll be ****ed if the tournament expands to 96 teams next year and it becomes the first year the Cats make the big dance (I know, I know, I'm sure we'll find a way to screw it up). It's supposed to be difficult.

Keep the tournament where it is. It's sad for USCHO that threads like this exist.
 
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quiddlet said:
Honestly what bubble school this year in hockey can really say it deserves to be in the tournament? If you can't get up to whatever is required for the year as an at-large (14 this year) then you shouldn't be in the tournament. If you didn't make the tournament, you didn't take care of business.
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Exactly. It's not like there are 14 undefeated teams every year - not even close. Every team has ample opportunity to get in by simply taking care of their own business - good lesson for life, there.
 
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I really don't think they should expand the brackets. They are about the right width apart. You can read all the teams and it fits well on a sheet of paper. I guess if you wanted wider brackets you could draw them up yourself, but I don't think they are needed for everyone. Well maybe some of the older hockey followers would appreciate an expanded bracket so the team names can be written in larger type.

And for goodness sake, certainly don't add any more teams.
 
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