Election Day 2021

[dxmnkd316]

Sounds to me like some Dem voters need to be reminded that choosing to stick your fingers in your ears and not to vote for the lesser of two turds today, doesn't mean you're going to magically wake up in the United States of Finland tomorrow. Now, could TM have run a better campaign, tacked further to the left on an issue or two to help motivate the base? Absolutely, and that is what is so maddening about Dems' continued insistence on running bland, milquetoast Clintonistas in purple states. Their era is over.

Both candidates got more votes than any candidate in history for governor. And by a wide margin. The previous high was Northam in 2017 with 1.4 to gillespie's 1.18. These guys got 1.61 and 1.68. 500,000 more people voted for Youngkin than Gillespie. An almost 50% bump.

Hillary Clinton, a literal Clinton, got just short of 2M. Biden got 2.4 because of his opponent. Otherwise going back to even the first Obama run, the Dems have gotten 1.9-2M on a presidential year. The GOP nearly turned out a presidential vote total. Was Youngkin really that special?

 

[psych]

I'm not going to claim to be an expert on Virginia politics. I don't live there and I've only visited the state a handful of times. Given the close proximity of the state's population centers to Washington, D.C., it is certainly possible that whatever is happening in the Capitol has more of a "local" impact in Virginia than it would say in Minnesota or Texas or Tennessee or someplace.

For mid-term elections, sure national issues come to the forefront and can be more of a referendum on the party in power, but I do firmly believe that for local and statewide elections, it goes back to the individual candidates and their specific positions on issues of local importance.

I’m not an expert either, which is why I listen to the experts, especially ones on Virginia politics. They agree with you that Youngkin outmaneuvered McAuliffe on the issues, but said the overarching, dominating issue was the GOP-leaning environment, thanks to Biden’s sh-tty approval rating, the perceived inaction in Congress, the continuity of the covid pandemic, which is now being blamed on Biden, the uneven recovery of the economy, etc. Nationalized stuff.

 

[Handyman]

Look, a skilled candidate like Walz is not going to get tripped up over CRT. When someone brings it up, you're going to get an answer from him like, "we have a great education system here in Minnesota, and the education of our young people is my highest priority. We've got hardworking men and women, like you folks here, sitting on school boards making the best decision possible for the students in their district, and I support them on that."

A bad candidate, someone who is deeply embedded in politics and political issues on a national level, like McAuliffe, is going to say something like, "I don't think parents should be telling schools what they should teach the children."

That's the difference between winning and losing an election.

Walz is a former teacher who almost never speaks on race issues controversially. Trying to tie him to CRT would fail. They will tie him to mask mandates, vaccine passports and The Floyd Riots. (with some election integrity thrown in for good measure) It will work in the Red areas and fail miserably in the Blue and he will be re-elected easily since the MNGOP is dumber than Congressional Progressives. It has zero to do with how good he is just like Jacob Frey in Minneapolis.

McAuliffe is a mediocre candidate but all signs point to the National Dems dragging him down along with Youngkin's fear mongering as reasons he lost. (as psyche said)

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

So how are Dems supposed to get out in front of the RWNJ media's ridiculous fearmongering and smear campaigns about CRT, trans people, vaccines, defund the police, etc.?

 

[MissThundercat]

So how are Dems supposed to get out in front of the RWNJ media's ridiculous fearmongering and smear campaigns about CRT, trans people, vaccines, defund the police, etc.?

Start playing dirty like Republicans. Stop expecting Republicans to still treat this like a gentleman's fight and start acting like it's Hell In The Cell.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

So how are Dems supposed to get out in front of the RWNJ media's ridiculous fearmongering and smear campaigns about CRT, trans people, vaccines, defund the police, etc.?

I don't know but maybe Terry should have corrected his gaffe on parents and schools right away instead of letting it sit. But, you know, if you can't make people afraid of teenagers killing people in the streets or what happened on 1/6 and you can make them afraid of CRT, I honestly don't know if anything can be done.

 

[French Rage]

So is it legal to make death threats against school board members in VA now? Glenn didn't seem to think law enforcement should be investigating people doing that.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

So is it legal to make death threats against school board members in VA now? Glenn didn't seem to think law enforcement should be investigating people doing that.

Simple Answer. Yes. That is ok. CRT is not ok. A modern welcoming bathroom policy is not ok.

 

[The Sicatoka]

Why Virginia flipped in four words: Loudoun County School Board

Yes, I've long said people vote pocketbook first, but there is one thing even greater to that to a parent: the 'momma bear' instinct.

Loudoun Co SB showed VA voters how things are being run at local and state levels. VA voters saw how "sausage is made" first hand. The momma bears (and papa bears) showed up to reject it. McAuliff did nothing to convince them Loudoun County SB was not an outlier. Heck, he doubled down on it.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

Facts no longer exist that is why we lose.

What I think you mean is that while facts still exist, they no longer matter.

It is my belief that there is no longer a lie vile enough or silly enough or too far-fetched for republicans to turn away from one of their candidates. The kinds of middle of the road voters or disaffected democrats who vote for a guy like Larry Hogan in Maryland might turn their backs on him and vote for someone else if he starts spouting Qtard garbage about JFK appearing at Dealy Plaza or the next Stones concert, but self described republicans were going to vote for Ciatertarelli in New Jersey or Youngkin in Virginia no matter what.

 

[French Rage]

Why Virginia flipped in four words: Loudoun County School Board

Yes, I've long said people vote pocketbook first, but there is one thing even greater to that to a parent: the 'momma bear' instinct.

Loudoun Co SB showed VA voters how things are being run at local and state levels. VA voters saw how "sausage is made" first hand. The momma bears (and papa bears) showed up to reject it. McAuliff did nothing to convince them Loudoun County SB was not an outlier. Heck, he doubled down on it.

And what, in your words, did it show them that they had to reject it?

 

[The Sicatoka]

It is my belief that there is no longer a lie vile enough or silly enough or too far-fetched for republicans to turn away from one of their candidates.

Emphasis added.

Why would a lie separate? (Or is that a Freudian typo.)

 

[The Sicatoka]

And what, in your words, did it show them that they had to reject it?

LCSB rejected the notion that parents, taxpayers, dare know what's going on in public schools, or even dare comment on it. Parents rejected that notion yesterday at the polls vigorously, at all VA state levels.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

Start playing dirty like Republicans. Stop expecting Republicans to still treat this like a gentleman's fight and start acting like it's Hell In The Cell.

This. So much this. This 24/7/365.

If it turns out the republican is the winner in New Jersey, the legislature there needs to do what republican controlled legislatures have have done in Wisconsin and North Carolina and strip whatever power they can from the governor's office. Neuter the job as much as they possibly can. If a democrat wins the job back in 2025, they can undo whatever they see fit at that time. For the life of me I do not know why democrats have never, ever learned these lessons. I have as much fucking power in Wisconsin politics as the fucking governor, and I moved out of the state almost 6 months ago.

But as sure as we're all sitting here in this forum, Democrats will continue to bring knives to a gunfight. In fact, most won't even bring knives. Some will bring a plastic spork like you get from KFC.

The other side literally wants to kill my side. My side wants to sit down and have a conversation with them about how we can all work together. Fuck that. Take the fight right to them, and do the same thing to them that they have been doing to this democracy. 5h!t on them, stomp on them, and be willing to kill them when the stomping and 5h!tting doesn't work well enough. JUST. LIKE. THEY. DO. TO. US.

 

[French Rage]

Emphasis added.

Why would a lie separate? (Or is that a Freudian typo.)

WANDH is saying there is no longer any lie so awful that it is too much for those still voting GOP to stop voting GOP. Given everything that has been done by their side over the last 4 years, culminating with with all of their election lies and 1/6, anyone who would eventually jump ship due to any inkling of personal integrity would have already done so, and those left are there forever, regardless of whatever subsequent awful things are done in their name. So there is no lie remaining that would separate them from their party.

Was that interpretation not obvious to anyone else here?

 

[French Rage]

LCSB rejected the notion that parents, taxpayers, dare know what's going on in public schools, or even dare comment on it. Parents rejected that notion yesterday at the polls vigorously, at all VA state levels.

How did they reject that? Did they stop holding meetings? Did they stop issuing reports? Please explain exactly how they rejected that notion.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

Emphasis added.

Why would a lie separate? (Or is that a Freudian typo.)

What the fuck are you asking?

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

How did they reject that? Did they stop holding meetings? Did they stop issuing reports? Please explain exactly how they rejected that notion.

There was some moron who unfortunately won her school board election somewhere around here (Suburban Cleveland) who said she doesn't think the "government" (in this case the local school board) needs to tell us what to do. So she ran for and won a seat in the "government" so she can, you know, tell us what to do.

'm surprised anymore that the typical republican has a brain that is functioning well enough to pass a fucking apnea test, let alone one that can actually form a single critical thought. The average American is 50% dumber today than he or she was 40 years ago. Everyone dumber than that is a republican.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

But as sure as we're all sitting here in this forum, Democrats will continue to bring knives to a gunfight. In fact, most won't even bring knives. Some will bring a plastic spork like you get from KFC.

Manchin and Sinema won't even do that. They'll roll up in Joe's yacht with a bottle of Moet on ice under the pretense of "making a deal" when in reality they're just there to get champagne drunk with their rich donors.

 

[psych]

In other news, six people who attended the January 6th rally became elected politicians last night.
Ohio GOP’s gerrymander will move the state from 12R-4D to 13R-2D.
New Jersey’s State Senate President may lose to a truck driver who spent a total of $153 on his campaign. That’s…unfortunate.