ECAC Northeast/NE10

[jerrynu26]

Re: ECAC Northeast/NE10

But, if the interlock ends, then the NE-10 will have 6 teams and a 20 game (4x) conference schedule. If every CCCP D-III school agrees to lay at least one NE-10 school, that would help them out. They could also serve as [STRIKE]cannon fodder[/STRIKE] mid season exhibition opponent to a D-I school in lieu of the D-1's playing Canadian schools.

edit: how in the heck do you do the strikeout??

Don't expect the ECAC East to want to set up any games with the NE-10 if they (in all likelyhood) kick St A's and M's out.

 

[NUProf]

Re: ECAC Northeast/NE10

Don't expect the ECAC East to want to set up any games with the NE-10 if they (in all likelyhood) kick St A's and M's out.

Jerry, for clarity, who are doing the kicking - ECAC East kicking out STA and STM, or the NE10?

 

[MCullen]

Re: ECAC Northeast/NE10

edit: how in the heck do you do the strikeout??

Replace the [ ] with < >.

Example: <strike>Cannon fodder</strike>

 

[jerrynu26]

Re: ECAC Northeast/NE10

Jerry, for clarity, who are doing the kicking - ECAC East kicking out STA and STM, or the NE10?

I believe the ECAC-East will vote to take St A and St M out of the conference.

 

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

Re: ECAC Northeast/NE10

But, if the interlock ends, then the NE-10 will have 6 teams and a 20 game (4x) conference schedule. If every CCCP D-III school agrees to lay at least one NE-10 school, that would help them out. They could also serve as [STRIKE]cannon fodder[/STRIKE] mid season exhibition opponent to a D-I school in lieu of the D-1's playing Canadian schools.

edit: how in the heck do you do the strikeout??

I agree about the scheduling arrangement if the interlock ended. All of the interlock teams would end up with at least 1 (in the case of NESCAC teams) more OOC game. ECAC-E giving the St.s the boot could create as many as 5 more per team. I'm sure you could get at least 3/4 of those teams to schedule at least 1 DII game.

In regards to the DI exhibitions... No coach will schedule an exhibition game THAT mismatched, for fear of the other team getting chippy and injuring their players. Good idea, but it'll never happen.

 

[icefan27]

Re: ECAC Northeast/NE10

I agree that adding OOC games might be difficult, but why not add more games against the other D-II teams. even if the games are considered non-conference games. To me, if you can add games, why not do it?

 

[NUProf]

Re: ECAC Northeast/NE10

I agree that adding OOC games might be difficult, but why not add more games against the other D-II teams. even if the games are considered non-conference games. To me, if you can add games, why not do it?

How many times do you want to play the same team? You could end up with 5 times + playoffs. That would be getting overly familiar with an opponent, I would think

 

[hawkhockey]

Re: ECAC Northeast/NE10

while an interesting litany of what ifs, and what could be ,i can tell you based on conversations with athletic people at a couple of DII schools involved, that if the only viable option is for DII schools to play each other 5-6 times , that will not happen.They will drop the sport and redirect resources to other NCAA sports.This will leave the remaining DII teams at a 2,3 team level and will ultimately force the schools to drop the sport.
That is the reality,as DI is not an option.Too bad

 

[NUProf]

Re: ECAC Northeast/NE10

while an interesting litany of what ifs, and what could be ,i can tell you based on conversations with athletic people at a couple of DII schools involved, that if the only viable option is for DII schools to play each other 5-6 times , that will not happen.They will drop the sport and redirect resources to other NCAA sports.This will leave the remaining DII teams at a 2,3 team level and will ultimately force the schools to drop the sport.
That is the reality,as DI is not an option.Too bad

The other option is ACHA DI

 

[hawk]

Re: ECAC Northeast/NE10

The other option is ACHA DI

There is also the option of going D3 in Basketball. Most of the D2 schools are D3 size and one would think they would fit right in in some D3 confrences. I not sure how big St. A's but it seems about the size of a lot of NESCAC and ECAC East schools.

 

[hawkhockey]

Re: ECAC Northeast/NE10

There is also the option of going D3 in Basketball. Most of the D2 schools are D3 size and one would think they would fit right in in some D3 confrences. I not sure how big St. A's but it seems about the size of a lot of NESCAC and ECAC East schools.

Given that the NCAA has imposed a moratorium on new DIII additions ,even if the schools agreed to drop b'ball scholarships today and apply to DIII there is no guarantee that they would be accepted.in addition ,there is no league for them to join, in other sports and they would be penalized for a number of years(?) before they could be eligible for any championships.This is a classic"between a rock and a hard place" scenario.
I am not sure about where the ACHA option would fit in.

 

[NUProf]

Re: ECAC Northeast/NE10

Given that the NCAA has imposed a moratorium on new DIII additions ,even if the schools agreed to drop b'ball scholarships today and apply to DIII there is no guarantee that they would be accepted.in addition ,there is no league for them to join, in other sports and they would be penalized for a number of years(?) before they could be eligible for any championships.This is a classic"between a rock and a hard place" scenario.
I am not sure about where the ACHA option would fit in.

Classic NCAA policies. The DII teams could compete as varsity programs (full athletic department support) in an ACHA league. I know there are some other schools that do that with their "club" hockey programs. There's nothing in ACHA rules to prevent this happening. I believe that Scranton still has a varsity program that plays in the ACHA, and I think there are others that do so. Since there's been a lot of talk on these boards about how ACHA teams stack up against DIII, and most think that the top programs would compete as mid to lower level DIII programs, these programs would fit well, and St. A's and St. M's might be seen as among the stronger programs.

 

[hawkhockey]

Re: ECAC Northeast/NE10

Re:ACHA.Ther is currently one ACHA Div.1 team in NE, so travel may be problematic/expensive for a small school.
I know St.A's has a div.II ACHA/club mens team.the womens team ,i guess .would be out of luck/options.
How about this as a short term compromise,let the DII games count until the DIII moratorium is lifted and when it is ,it is either up,down or out.

 

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

Re: ECAC Northeast/NE10

Re:ACHA.Ther is currently one ACHA Div.1 team in NE, so travel may be problematic/expensive for a small school.
I know St.A's has a div.II ACHA/club mens team.the womens team ,i guess .would be out of luck/options.
How about this as a short term compromise,let the DII games count until the DIII moratorium is lifted and when it is ,it is either up,down or out.

ACHA D2: There's PLENTY of action in the northeast, trust me. In fact, I'll be at the northeast regionals next weekend

ACHA Women's: There are 2 ACHA Women's leagues. W1 essentially operates like M2, and W2 essentially operates like M3. W1 has 17 teams with UBuffalo, UMass, Penn State, and U Rhode Island being the closest teams to St. A's. W2 has a few more teams, with UVM, Bates, Fairfield, Penn U, and Villanova being the closest teams. They could also play St. Scholastica or Wis.-Stout and have it count

Your proposed "comprimise": Although It'd be a smart idea that I'd love to see, I will eat my hat when it happens

 

[jerrynu26]

Re: ECAC Northeast/NE10

Re:ACHA.Ther is currently one ACHA Div.1 team in NE, so travel may be problematic/expensive for a small school.
I know St.A's has a div.II ACHA/club mens team.the womens team ,i guess .would be out of luck/options.
How about this as a short term compromise,let the DII games count until the DIII moratorium is lifted and when it is ,it is either up,down or out.

Just to be clear, it is the NCAA you have to get to agree to a compromise, not the ECAC.

 

[joecct]

Re: ECAC Northeast/NE10

In regards to the DI exhibitions... No coach will schedule an exhibition game THAT mismatched, for fear of the other team getting chippy and injuring their players. Good idea, but it'll never happen.

AIC, Bentley, Merrimack, UM-Lowell are all NE-<strike>10</strike>16 members. St A's MAY give them a good game -- the others, ugh. But it would be good guarantee money and it may help recruiting in the long run.

If Georgetown can play St. Leo's in basketball, anything is possible.

 

[Mainehockeyman]

Re: ECAC Northeast/NE10

while an interesting litany of what ifs, and what could be ,i can tell you based on conversations with athletic people at a couple of DII schools involved, that if the only viable option is for DII schools to play each other 5-6 times , that will not happen.They will drop the sport and redirect resources to other NCAA sports.This will leave the remaining DII teams at a 2,3 team level and will ultimately force the schools to drop the sport.
That is the reality,as DI is not an option.Too bad

But don't you think there will always be games for them to play?...The teams that played in the Northeast haven't had any trouble filling their schedules...Even if St. Mikes and St. As get kicked out of the east all the D2 teams could play each other 3 times (just like in ECAC-West) even 4 times wouldn't be horrible and I'm sure they could find at least 10 non-conference games to fill out a schedule...in addition a team like St. A's maybe could play some top d3 teams if the d3 teams would be able to use the game as their exhibition game.

I know this would never happen but it would also be great if AIC dropped down to play in the NE-10 for another d-2 team to schedule...i mean, what are they doing D-1? this may be the first time in a least 5 years that they finish out of the basement of Atlantic Hockey and this year they are slated to finish 2nd to last...

Back to the original point though...the bottom line to me is that there are plenty of teams in d-3 who realize they dont have a realistic chance of getting an autobid to NCAA's so those teams would in my opinion still be happy to schedule some D-2 games...I just can't imagine the hockey community would let 6 hockey programs die

 

[NUProf]

Re: ECAC Northeast/NE10

Back to the original point though...the bottom line to me is that there are plenty of teams in d-3 who realize they dont have a realistic chance of getting an autobid to NCAA's so those teams would in my opinion still be happy to schedule some D-2 games...I just can't imagine the hockey community would let 6 hockey programs die

This is where it is weird to me - the impetus for the current setup was provided by the ECAC NE, which had first decreed that the DII games didn't count, and then totally kicked the 4 DII members out of the league altogether. I have a difficult time understanding how the DII teams hurt the ECAC NE - The chances of the NE getting a Pool C bid are very small. They don't have to worry about getting a Pool B bid, so the negative impact of having games against DII teams shouldn't be an issue. I don't get it.

(I also don't see why it isn't a slam dunk to let games against these teams count for NCAA purposes anyway - make them tournament eligible and you get a 12 team field, too.

 

[Mainehockeyman]

Re: ECAC Northeast/NE10

This is where it is weird to me - the impetus for the current setup was provided by the ECAC NE, which had first decreed that the DII games didn't count, and then totally kicked the 4 DII members out of the league altogether. I have a difficult time understanding how the DII teams hurt the ECAC NE - The chances of the NE getting a Pool C bid are very small. They don't have to worry about getting a Pool B bid, so the negative impact of having games against DII teams shouldn't be an issue. I don't get it.

(I also don't see why it isn't a slam dunk to let games against these teams count for NCAA purposes anyway - make them tournament eligible and you get a 12 team field, too.

It seems like it would make too much sense and the NCAA can't handle that...does anyone on here know if the NCAA has ever dicussed just making an acceptance for these 6 D2 teams in one sport?

 

[jerrynu26]

Re: ECAC Northeast/NE10

The NCAA takes a dim view of any single sport exemptions.

As far as allowing them into the ECAC-NE tournament, that would only accomplish not havingan AQ for the ECAC-NE (NCAA rule, not ECAC).