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Don Lucia steps down as Minnesota Gophers coach

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Tipsy McStagger said:
Pros
More money (though we don't know how much more)
Better tradition
Better facilities
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mnstate0fhockey said:
I also think you left off a few positives like easier recruiting, better facilities, generally more resources, etc....
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I find this amusing, because they are basically the same three points he listed as positives, in a slightly different order.
 
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chickod said:
I'm a "little" biased but I would throw BU in there. We have five national championships. BC has been more "dominant" recently (since 2000) but they are both still top-flight programs. The BU facilities are first-rate and relatively new. Construction and campus expansion is booming and the academic reputation is growing. Also, given that hockey is the #1 sport at BU (no football team anymore), it is squarely at the top of the list as far as recognition and visibility go.
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I am not biased and I agree with you. BU is a first class academic institution and as you say have modern facilities. Not only do they have 5 national championships, but have dominated the Beanpot tournament over the years. Ice hockey is their premier sport and they can compete with anyone for top recruits.
 
geezer said:
I find this amusing, because they are basically the same three points he listed as positives, in a slightly different order.
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Not really. Easier recruiting because you are drawing from a much larger pool of kids who grew up watching the Gophers, better facilities was redundant and the result of a misread on my part, and more resources extends well beyond facilities. I thought my post was a rather level-headed reply and I stand by it (minus the clear misread on the one point).
 
Runsub5 said:
I am not biased and I agree with you. BU is a first class academic institution and as you say have modern facilities. Not only do they have 5 national championships, but have dominated the Beanpot tournament over the years. Ice hockey is their premier sport and they can compete with anyone for top recruits.
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I think the original point that was made has gotten lost. Clearly BU is an upper echelon program.
 
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Tipsy McStagger said:
Let's go over the pros and cons of Motzko taking the Gopher job.

Pros
More money (though we don't know how much more)
Better tradition
Better facilities

Cons
SCSU is Motzko's alma mater
SCSU is Motzko's dream job (he said this after being asked about the U of M job on Tuesday, while recounting the story of his "job interview" with Lucia)
Motzko would likely have to move his family, while he has kids in high school
SCSU will likely have a better team next year than the Gophers
The NCHC has, to this point, been a better conference than the B1G
Motzko would have to put up with Gopher alumni, who Lucia intimated have been an obstacle to success at the U of M

I don't think any of these are debatable. Feel free to add on unless you are JDubbs.
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mnstate0fhockey said:
Up until your last sentence you had a pretty darn good post going. I don't think the alums are as big of an issue as you do, and I also think you left off a few positives like easier recruiting, better facilities, generally more resources, etc....

Hard to argue with most of your negatives though. Up until this year the NCHC has been a better conference (i am skeptical that will be the case long-term), and the issue with the alums isn't nothing. Your other negatives are spot on.

Will be a tough choice for Motzko if offered, which is why I think $$ will be thd biggest factor. Minnesota will have to pay him well to draw him away from his alma mater.
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First Time said:
When making a post calling another an idiot...one may want to review it first for errors...lest ye look stupid doing it.
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There were only 3 pros that I listed, and Dubbs still couldn't keep them straight.
 
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mnstate0fhockey said:
Not really. Easier recruiting because you are drawing from a much larger pool of kids who grew up watching the Gophers, better facilities was redundant and the result of a misread on my part, and more resources extends well beyond facilities. I thought my post was a rather level-headed reply and I stand by it (minus the clear misread on the one point).
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I was thinking more that
facilities=facilities
money=resources and
tradition (is a key to) recruiting - maybe the biggest factor other than the staff itself.

Now, by "money" he may have meant just the coach's salary, which would be a different point than "resources" (I mean, what you don't have you can buy). But I think the main thing that ol' Tipsy didn't clearly point out as an advantage is PROGRAM PRESTIGE. I think it's the main advantage and will be the biggest draw to the next coach (although it also is closely tied to both tradition and recruiting advantages).
 
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ThePowerConference said:
How much of an influence will Don have in saying who replaces him? He's already said publicly that he thinks Guentzel would make a great head coach and that he's familiar with it there. The fact that he's a alumni and has public support from Don makes me think he's already been the chosen one.
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I was told he might not have the right personality. "He's a good player's coach", "Great guy!", "Nothing like Don". We will see but it wouldn't surprise me if he did land the position.
 
geezer said:
I was thinking more that
facilities=facilities
money=resources and
tradition (is a key to) recruiting - maybe the biggest factor other than the staff itself.

Now, by "money" he may have meant just the coach's salary, which would be a different point than "resources" (I mean, what you don't have you can buy). But I think the main thing that ol' Tipsy didn't clearly point out as an advantage is PROGRAM PRESTIGE. I think it's the main advantage and will be the biggest draw to the next coach (although it also is closely tied to both tradition and recruiting advantages).
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Tradition is prestige. Unless you think the name itself has prestige. If that's the case, Minnesota may as well be Ohio State.
 
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geezer said:
I was thinking more that
facilities=facilities
money=resources and
tradition (is a key to) recruiting - maybe the biggest factor other than the staff itself.

Now, by "money" he may have meant just the coach's salary, which would be a different point than "resources" (I mean, what you don't have you can buy). But I think the main thing that ol' Tipsy didn't clearly point out as an advantage is PROGRAM PRESTIGE. I think it's the main advantage and will be the biggest draw to the next coach (although it also is closely tied to both tradition and recruiting advantages).
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Well you've got the amount of program exposure too, that plays into recruiting.

And posting how the teams will be next year (one year out doesn't compare to what might happen for the rest of one's career) and comparing how the conferences were in past years (which for the B1G isn't likely to be the average going forward) is being a little selective under the CONS.
 
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Tipsy McStagger said:
Tradition is prestige. Unless you think the name itself has prestige. If that's the case, Minnesota may as well be Ohio State.
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Since you like definitions:
Tradition: the transmission of customs or beliefs from generation to generation, or the fact of being passed on in this way
Prestige: widespread respect and admiration felt for someone or something on the basis of a perception of their achievements or quality
 
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Prestige: a movie starring Christian Bale, Hugh Jackman and Scarlett Johansson.
 
geezer said:
I was thinking more that
facilities=facilities
money=resources and
tradition (is a key to) recruiting - maybe the biggest factor other than the staff itself.

Now, by "money" he may have meant just the coach's salary, which would be a different point than "resources" (I mean, what you don't have you can buy). But I think the main thing that ol' Tipsy didn't clearly point out as an advantage is PROGRAM PRESTIGE. I think it's the main advantage and will be the biggest draw to the next coach (although it also is closely tied to both tradition and recruiting advantages).
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Fair enough. I would think that the recruiting advantages would be pretty big too, but clearly it hasn't stopped Motzko from doing a stellar job of recruiting at SCSU. Either the recruiting advantage that MN has isn't what it once was because of the coaching situation or other factors.

If the recruiting gap closed because of coaching, imagine what Motzko could do at Minnesota. If the recruiting gap has closed because of other factors like SCSU, UMD, MSU, and BSU upgrading facilities and investing more in their programs, then there just isn't as much inherent advantage as their used to be.

I am guessing it's a bit of both, but who knows.
 
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There is a difference between prestige and history. Being a cos h in the big ten has prestige (much due to other sports) but there isn’t much history.
 
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Koho said:
posting how the teams will be next year (one year out doesn't compare to what might happen for the rest of one's career)
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One year doesn't compare to what might happen for the rest of ones career, but when you are in your late 50's, you are probably not trying to completely rebuild the roster to your liking.

Koho said:
and comparing how the conferences were in past years (which for the B1G isn't likely to be the average going forward) is being a little selective under the CONS.
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Oh, so despite the NCHC getting WAY more teams into the tournament every year until now, and having 7 Frozen Four teams to 1 for the B1G, and having the last two national champs plus a good chance of having the national champ this year, the verdict is still out on which conference is better?

Still waiting for your argument of the Gopher job being the top one in college hockey.
 
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Tipsy McStagger said:
Still waiting for your argument of the Gopher job being the top one in college hockey.
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Not worth the time. Most people would agree, not just Gopher fans. Maybe 4 other schools nationally in the same level.
 
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