DIII game notes

[Scott_TG]

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Plattsburgh up 2-0 midway through the second.

First goal came in the first. Millen with a great play behind the net and a feed to Moriarty for a point blank goal.

Second goal came in the second on a penalty kill. Moriarty gets an interception, brings it up ice and passes between two Elmira skaters in the slot (one facing the goal and one back almost parallel to each other) to an open Lipson who fires it over Nelson's shoulder.

Edit: 3-0 Plattsburgh with a little over 3 mins left in the 2nd. Brand gets the puck at the bench-side boards and crept in unchallenged and shot it in around Nelson.

 

[Scott_TG]

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Lipson adds one more in the 3rd to make it a 4-0 Plattsburgh final. Camille Leonard now has the D3 career wins record, attaining it on Senior Day for the Cardinals.

 

[bearcat]

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You will be happy to learn of the amazing productivity Ms Sherman and Ms Aiello achieved in their 2 or 3 shifts this evening: Sherman had a goal and an assist and Aiello chipped in 2 assists.

Ya. It's amazing what can happen when they actually play for a change isn't it? [also, it was Colby....I think a good u14 team would smoke them]

 

[Call It]

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Ya. It's amazing what can happen when they actually play for a change isn't it? [also, it was Colby....I think a good u14 team would smoke them]

Mandigo is a jerk!

 

[Call It]

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Plattsburgh up 2-0 midway through the second.

First goal came in the first. Millen with a great play behind the net and a feed to Moriarty for a point blank goal.

Second goal came in the second on a penalty kill. Moriarty gets an interception, brings it up ice and passes between two Elmira skaters in the slot (one facing the goal and one back almost parallel to each other) to an open Lipson who fires it over Nelson's shoulder.

Edit: 3-0 Plattsburgh with a little over 3 mins left in the 2nd. Brand gets the puck at the bench-side boards and crept in unchallenged and shot it in around Nelson.

Another game where the top line is shut down, not good this time of the year. Ask Michel Therrien

 

[Call It]

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Plattsburgh had an excellent 3rd period, outshooting EC 15-5 according to the official scoresheet. But in terms of "no shifts for the 3rd or 4th lines"... yes, the Sheeran-Songin-Meneghin line and the Lipson-Millen-Moriarty line got the bulk of he ice time, and I don't recall seeing the 4th line out there, Ames' line was out there for several 3rd period shifts.

Hey Houle's 4th liners.... Transfer!

 

[Call It]

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Senior Day for 6 Cardinals. Leonard, Brand, Duquette, Ames, Lipson and Turk.

Scott, to much to replace for next year? Seems like a lot

 

[SeymoreHockey]

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Scott, to much to replace for next year? Seems like a lot

He'll be down to one Canadian on the team for next year. What's happening to Canadian content at the DIII level?

 

[Scott_TG]

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Scott, to much to replace for next year? Seems like a lot

A tall order to replace them all in one go for sure, but Houle and Blanchard (though depending on when they committed, Goguen may have had more to do with this particular senor class coming than Blanch) were able to recruit this senior class all at once (except Brand who transferred in), it stands to reason it they can bring in a class of this caliber again.

Assuming no defections, they'll still have their top two scorers in Meneghin and Sheeran, as well as Moriarty, Songin and Millen as the core returning offensive players. Kraus and Wolf have shown promise as freshmen and I think even Hudson and Fadel have another level they could reach as juniors next year. I think Crandell, Kiraly, Hoskins and Viola would be solid as the top 4 defensemen (defensewomen?) in the event the recruits on the blue line can't supplant some of them and debut high on the depth chart.

All the returning players form a solid foundation and it's not like Plattsburgh has had trouble scoring recruits in recent years. Even if the incoming class is underwhelming I don't think they'll be desperate at any position, but like any fan I hope the team I'm rooting for can reel in the biggest fish in the pond to supplement the great returning players.

tl;dr: until I see them fail to adequately restock the cabinet, I'm confident it will be in good supply next October.

 

[Scott_TG]

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He'll be down to one Canadian on the team for next year. What's happening to Canadian content at the DIII level?

Maybe the current exchange rate makes staying North and playing in the CIS more attractive than playing D3 with no athletic scholarships. Plus we're not that far removed from the sanctions against the schools that had those Canadian-specific grants becoming de facto athletic scholarships (Morrisville, Neumann, Utica) that coaches and their athletic and financial aid departments still remember to be cautious. Plus, as the girls/womens game grows it has become easier to do all the shopping on this side of the border.

 

[GTOWN]

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He'll be down to one Canadian on the team for next year. What's happening to Canadian content at the DIII level?

As the dad of a Canadian playing DIII, I can tell you that the exchange isn't helping. CIS hockey is getting better and better and you can go to school in Canada for about $18k CDN (tuition/room/board). I know of a couple of girls that were borderline DI and when they didn't make it decided to stay in Canada. In our case, the dollar at $0.75 is about as low as we can go. If it gets any worse we would have to reconsider staying in the U.S.

 

[SeymoreHockey]

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As the dad of a Canadian playing DIII, I can tell you that the exchange isn't helping. CIS hockey is getting better and better and you can go to school in Canada for about $18k CDN (tuition/room/board). I know of a couple of girls that were borderline DI and when they didn't make it decided to stay in Canada. In our case, the dollar at $0.75 is about as low as we can go. If it gets any worse we would have to reconsider staying in the U.S.

Interesting....it's nice that the CIS finally got its head out of the sand and is now giving students a very attractive alternative. And the hockey is steadily improving, while DIII continues to get watered down with all these new schools entering the fray.

 

[Scott_TG]

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As the dad of a Canadian playing DIII, I can tell you that the exchange isn't helping. CIS hockey is getting better and better and you can go to school in Canada for about $18k CDN (tuition/room/board). I know of a couple of girls that were borderline DI and when they didn't make it decided to stay in Canada. In our case, the dollar at $0.75 is about as low as we can go. If it gets any worse we would have to reconsider staying in the U.S.

Curious, can you elaborate what about the CIS is getting better? Just more ladies staying home thus higher quality of players or is something else going on? Is the exchange rate encouraging more good players to stay home thus making the CIS better which perpetually builds it as a better place to play or is something else about the CIS improving making it more attractive when combined with the exchange rate?

 

[SeymoreHockey]

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Curious, can you elaborate what about the CIS is getting better? Just more ladies staying home thus higher quality of players or is something else going on? Is the exchange rate encouraging more good players to stay home thus making the CIS better which perpetually builds it as a better place to play or is something else about the CIS improving making it more attractive when combined with the exchange rate?

The biggest difference is that the CIS now offers scholarships that they didn't offer a few years ago. This, combined with the exchange rate, and the "play at home" factor are strong incentives to play in Canada. This can only strengthen quality of play.

 

[GTOWN]

The biggest difference is that the CIS now offers scholarships that they didn't offer a few years ago. This, combined with the exchange rate, and the "play at home" factor are strong incentives to play in Canada. This can only strengthen quality of play.

Actually the scholarship is a bit of a red herring. The schools are now allowed to offer money but most schools can't afford to actually hand it out.
The cost of attending a DIII school in the US (even with some academic money you're still looking at about $20-$25k US/ year) versus a Canadian education that can be had for $16k-$20k CDN is a big, defining difference.
Another big sticking point is getting your degree recognized when you come back. Too many horror stories of girls going to the US for 4 years and coming back with a degree that isn't recognized in Canada.
A few Canadian schools have figured this out and are starting to bring in better coaches and develop programs that are more similar to a DIII experience. I see this trend increasing over the next few years unless the exchange rate pops up over $0.80. Then parents can justify the difference in their minds.
My daughter always wanted to go to the US for hockey so we figured out 2 things:
1.The degree must be recognized in Canada (not a concern in her field)
2. Mom and I set a total amount that we would pay per year. She understands how much extra it will cost her and has accepted that. Most of it will be covered through her summer jobs but she will have some student debt when she graduates (probably no more than $20k).
She decided that it was worth it to pursue her dream.
Completely understand that some folks will think we're nuts but that was our family conversation and it works for us.

 

[joecct]

Actually the scholarship is a bit of a red herring. The schools are now allowed to offer money but most schools can't afford to actually hand it out.
The cost of attending a DIII school in the US (even with some academic money you're still looking at about $20-$25k US/ year) versus a Canadian education that can be had for $16k-$20k CDN is a big, defining difference.
Another big sticking point is getting your degree recognized when you come back. Too many horror stories of girls going to the US for 4 years and coming back with a degree that isn't recognized in Canada.
A few Canadian schools have figured this out and are starting to bring in better coaches and develop programs that are more similar to a DIII experience. I see this trend increasing over the next few years unless the exchange rate pops up over $0.80. Then parents can justify the difference in their minds.
My daughter always wanted to go to the US for hockey so we figured out 2 things:
1.The degree must be recognized in Canada (not a concern in her field)
2. Mom and I set a total amount that we would pay per year. She understands how much extra it will cost her and has accepted that. Most of it will be covered through her summer jobs but she will have some student debt when she graduates (probably no more than $20k).
She decided that it was worth it to pursue her dream.
Completely understand that some folks will think we're nuts but that was our family conversation and it works for us.

I'm curious. What degrees are not recognized in Canada?

 

[SeymoreHockey]

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Actually the scholarship is a bit of a red herring. The schools are now allowed to offer money but most schools can't afford to actually hand it out.
The cost of attending a DIII school in the US (even with some academic money you're still looking at about $20-$25k US/ year) versus a Canadian education that can be had for $16k-$20k CDN is a big, defining difference.
Another big sticking point is getting your degree recognized when you come back. Too many horror stories of girls going to the US for 4 years and coming back with a degree that isn't recognized in Canada.
A few Canadian schools have figured this out and are starting to bring in better coaches and develop programs that are more similar to a DIII experience. I see this trend increasing over the next few years unless the exchange rate pops up over $0.80. Then parents can justify the difference in their minds.
My daughter always wanted to go to the US for hockey so we figured out 2 things:
1.The degree must be recognized in Canada (not a concern in her field)
2. Mom and I set a total amount that we would pay per year. She understands how much extra it will cost her and has accepted that. Most of it will be covered through her summer jobs but she will have some student debt when she graduates (probably no more than $20k).
She decided that it was worth it to pursue her dream.
Completely understand that some folks will think we're nuts but that was our family conversation and it works for us.

Great explanation. And here I thought it was NCAA protectionism a la Donald Trump (and maybe it is to a certain degree). My D graduated with a degree (and a couple of Nattys to boot) and now works in her field of choice in the CDN Federal Government system, so for her, (other than the debt) it worked out great.

 

[CrossCheck]

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Great explanation. And here I thought it was NCAA protectionism a la Donald Trump (and maybe it is to a certain degree). My D graduated with a degree (and a couple of Nattys to boot) and now works in her field of choice in the CDN Federal Government system, so for her, (other than the debt) it worked out great.

NCAA protectionism??

Perhaps a better answer is that people finally woke up and realized that there is no justification for providing US funds [e.g. federal, state or private scholarship or grant money] to Canadians so that they can come here and play D3 girls hockey. Honestly, what's the point? That same money [which is generally either US taxpayer money or donations to the school by US alumni] could and would be better spent on American families who are struggling to make ends meet and send their kids to college.

 

[SeymoreHockey]

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NCAA protectionism??

Perhaps a better answer is that people finally woke up and realized that there is no justification for providing US funds [e.g. federal, state or private scholarship or grant money] to Canadians so that they can come here and play D3 girls hockey. Honestly, what's the point? That same money [which is generally either US taxpayer money or donations to the school by US alumni] could and would be better spent on American families who are struggling to make ends meet and send their kids to college.

To build the women's game using Canadian talent, maybe? To spark interest, which leads to participation, which leads to growth, which leads to higher quality, perhaps?

 

[GTOWN]

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NCAA protectionism??

Perhaps a better answer is that people finally woke up and realized that there is no justification for providing US funds [e.g. federal, state or private scholarship or grant money] to Canadians so that they can come here and play D3 girls hockey. Honestly, what's the point? That same money [which is generally either US taxpayer money or donations to the school by US alumni] could and would be better spent on American families who are struggling to make ends meet and send their kids to college.

All the money my daughter is getting is based on: 1. Being an international student (offered to anyone whether they play hockey or not) and 2. Her academic performance. We do not get any financial aid. Maybe other schools get "creative" with funding but not hers.

As for the earlier question about what degrees aren't recognized: at least a few girls have taken education degrees that need significant tweaking when they get back across the border. Typically another year or two of courses to make sure the requirements "match up".