DI Transfers

[RStarr]

Re: DI Transfers

and while we're at it, would somebody please fire Katie King and Courtney Kennedy?!

 

[ARM]

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I used to be in disagreement with the WCHA policy...based on the reality for the women...they have their four year eligibility...and then their hockey careers are over, for the vast majority of players. So I just didn't like the idea of taking a year away from them.

They don't have a year taken away from them; their hockey career is just put on hold in terms of competing in games. They are still students, and they still take part in practice/conditioning, but they aren't allowed to dress for games in the first season. The student athlete still has five years to complete their 4 years of competition, assuming that they haven't already used their redshirt season.

Life lessons can be learned in far better and more productive ways than by forcing a player to stay at a program for 4 years based of a decision made at 18 years old.

They aren't forced to stay there for 4 years; they can still transfer even w/o a release, but they cannot play for their new team during the first year if they are not granted one.

 

[OnMAA]

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Debating RStarr...Always a challenge
....You do bring up some great points...A couple of rebuttals:

Tho coach has the right to leave at any time. It may come with repercussions, such as an early termination of contract fee, however, they are permitted to leave. Players don't have it so gravy.

Just like players they do have to follow a process, as in asking for permission for example. Players can and do transfer, they just have to go about it the right way. Discussing about not being able to on this forum via others is lame.

Playing for the NCAA is like working for the federal government....the rules only apply if they are at benefit of the program and/or franchise. who care about the people (errr, players).

That is a one sided view. Most coaches do have the best interest of the players and program at heart. However, 18-20 years olds are more likely to change their mind on emotion than coaches etc. That is what often leads to issues.

Life lessons can be learned in far better and more productive ways than by forcing a player to stay at a program for 4 years based of a decision made at 18 years old.

The life lessons learned while playing varsity are many. One of them is on the consequences you may face if you cannot adjust to the environment you play or work in and the rules that go with it. This includes knowing how to have the right relationship with your coach/boss, and how AND WHEN to communicate about issues of concern to your superiors. Trust me, most learn more during time of adversity than during time of Bliss.

I find you to be extremely hypocritical. You urge the players to do their homework, research schools, etc. However, you do you best to continually moderate and/or stifle conversation that you think puts players and or programs in a negative light.

Yes I do urge players to do their homework. Does not mean every little internal problem needs to be aired on this public forum to help them with this. Like with Trillium, we agree to disagree on this one. It's all good, you are entitled to your opinion.

 

[Bauer86]

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Even if a player does extensive research on a school, they are most likely not going to talk to people from both sides of the spectrum. In most cases they talk to alumni of the university, current players, and coaches. Generally, people are going to refrain from badmouthing an institution where the player is interested in attending, even if it would be in her benefit. There are reasons schools have multiple players leave every few years, and by keeping these reasons under wraps the prospective players are not given all of the information on these schools.

 

[notfromaroundhere]

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They don't have a year taken away from them; their hockey career is just put on hold in terms of competing in games. They are still students, and they still take part in practice/conditioning, but they aren't allowed to dress for games in the first season. The student athlete still has five years to complete their 4 years of competition, assuming that they haven't already used their redshirt season.

They aren't forced to stay there for 4 years; they can still transfer even w/o a release, but they cannot play for their new team during the first year if they are not granted one.

I was wondering when someone was going to say this...

I believe there is one exception where a student athlete can play immediately upon arrival on the other campus. It occurs when an undergraduate completes their degree and changes schools to pursue graduate work that does not exist at the first institution. This is usually the 4th year of playing eligibility and the 5th year out of HS.

I don't think this is the case with our situation in Vermont, though.

The reality is though that many players do not complete their undergraduate degree in 4 years because of the demands of the sport. So the player in question can use this year off to get ahead academically ensuring that she will finish her degree and her hockey career at the same time.

 

[RStarr]

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The reality is though that many players do not complete their undergraduate degree in 4 years because of the demands of the sport. So the player in question can use this year off to get ahead academically ensuring that she will finish her degree and her hockey career at the same time.

I agree with this...

 

[scrambledlegs]

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Even if a player does extensive research on a school, they are most likely not going to talk to people from both sides of the spectrum. In most cases they talk to alumni of the university, current players, and coaches. Generally, people are going to refrain from badmouthing an institution where the player is interested in attending, even if it would be in her benefit. There are reasons schools have multiple players leave every few years, and by keeping these reasons under wraps the prospective players are not given all of the information on these schools.

One of the problems is that people tend to ask "positive confirmation" questions. For example, "Is the coach hardworking?". The answer to that question is probably yes, however it doesn't get to some of the other character flaws that the coach may also have, such as "Does the coach yell at the players?"

Since every player is different and looks for different things in a coach, then the person being asked may only answer the question that is posed to them. In this case, the alumni may think the player only cares about whether the coach is hardworking.

However, if it really bothers the player to be yelled at, then those are the questions that should be asked. They are the tougher questions to ask but
I believe that you would usually get honest answers.

 

[OnMAA]

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One of the problems is that people tend to ask "positive confirmation" questions. For example, "Is the coach hardworking?". The answer to that question is probably yes, however it doesn't get to some of the other character flaws that the coach may also have, such as "Does the coach yell at the players?"

Since every player is different and looks for different things in a coach, then the person being asked may only answer the question that is posed to them. In this case, the alumni may think the player only cares about whether the coach is hardworking.

However, if it really bothers the player to be yelled at, then those are the questions that should be asked. They are the tougher questions to ask but
I believe that you would usually get honest answers.

You actually get a lot of good information about programs and their ins and outs to watch for from established long time U19/IAA club coaches and from recruiters of competing schools. You'd be amazed the things you learn about each program. This is not always about people putting other programs down, but just about the pro and cons, the characteristics of a coach and how it would fit to your own situation.

In the end you pick a list of schools for their academics first and then you pick the varisty program that fits you best after. The tendencies and coaching style of a coach should be part of that evaluation.