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Detroit Tigers, Volume 8: The Doc Cramer edition

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I wish I wasn't right. I wish we had a 5-game lead, and we were making a move to shore up that last missing piece. Instead we've got this to deal with.

We've got $105 mil already sunk into 5 players for 2016: Verlander, Sanchez, Kinsler, Miggy, and Victor. That's why signing Price is a pipe dream. Cespedes could be brought back, as could Soria. But we need more pieces, ones that our farm system cannot yet provide. That's why you sell at this point.

Ausmus is showing that he is not yet experienced enough to handle a championship caliber team. We could not afford that the last two years as our window slammed shut. That's on DD, but it's also why he's getting shown the door a day or two after the season ends.
 
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Don't get me wrong, i'm ok with selling, but don't necessarily expect the team to be better because of it. You might get someone good, or you might get ian Krol.
I understand about the bp, but they have gotten a lot better as the season has progressed.
I'm not agreeing on ausmus. I just think he's the fall guy. Detroit fans are real good at blaming someone, anyone. A new manager is not going to solve anything except give us someone else to blame.
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I'm not blaming Ausmus yet, either, but if they tailspin into a total crash & burn this season I see no reason for admiration. It'll be a serious test of leadership. A major league manager needs to have top-notch leadership skills, or let him find a more suitable job. Close to .500 ball after the deadline dust settles, with a team that fights for wins, and I would keep him around.
 
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Rumors of Price to the Jays for Norris (lefty), Boyd (lefty), and Anthony Alford (CF).
 
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I'm not blaming Ausmus yet, either, but if they tailspin into a total crash & burn this season I see no reason for admiration. It'll be a serious test of leadership. A major league manager needs to have top-notch leadership skills, or let him find a more suitable job. Close to .500 ball after the deadline dust settles, with a team that fights for wins, and I would keep him around.
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If? The only thing left of the plane at this point is a few smoldering ashes. This team wasn't perfect, but it was a team that was good enough that they should have been contenders, at which point, you take your chances with David Price in a WC game and hope you get lucky at the right time like the Cardinals and Giants always seem to do.

Like I said last week, it's not hard to find four or five games the Tigers lost this year because Ausmus didn't know what the **** he was doing. Now, instead of having a 1.5 game lead on the second wild card spot, they're 3.5 out and selling off pieces. Everyone knew the Tigers' window to win a World Series was closing. Ausmus was hired to be the guy that won one before it did. Instead, he slammed it shut a year or two earlier than necessary. I'd fire the guy yesterday if I could.
 
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No Alford in the trade. Instead we get Labourt, another lefty pitcher.

Seems like a good trade to me.
 
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Spartanforlife4 said:
No Alford in the trade. Instead we get Labourt, another lefty pitcher.

Seems like a good trade to me.
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I like Morosi's take: #Tigers give up 2 months of David Price for (potentially) 40 percent of their 2016 rotation. Good trade for both teams.
(still need a bullpen though, we'll see what develops with Cespedes and Soria)
 
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That one makes me scratch my head a little bit.

Now the last shoe to drop is Cespedes. I don't think the other three are going, and if they are going, we're not getting much in return.
 
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If? The only thing left of the plane at this point is a few smoldering ashes. This team wasn't perfect, but it was a team that was good enough that they should have been contenders, at which point, you take your chances with David Price in a WC game and hope you get lucky at the right time like the Cardinals and Giants always seem to do.

Like I said last week, it's not hard to find four or five games the Tigers lost this year because Ausmus didn't know what the **** he was doing. Now, instead of having a 1.5 game lead on the second wild card spot, they're 3.5 out and selling off pieces. Everyone knew the Tigers' window to win a World Series was closing. Ausmus was hired to be the guy that won one before it did. Instead, he slammed it shut a year or two earlier than necessary. I'd fire the guy yesterday if I could.
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I am not a fan of Ausmus. I think he will be dismissed after this season, deservedly so. HOWEVER....

Here's the only saving grace about Ausmus. Knowing what we know now, at the end of July, this team was fatally flawed. The starting rotation was in shambles. You cannot contend with Alfredo Simon and Shane Greene starting every 4th and 5th day. Now, Simon has been somewhat improved over the last two starts, but those two were a mess for a solid two months. Casey Stengel and Joe McCarthy couldn't win when you give 40% of your starts to those two. And Greene's replacement, Buck Farmer, isn't likely to be any better. I wouldn't be surprised if tomorrow's game ends up with a football score.

The bullpen has been an absolute fiasco. First it was Joba and Gorzelanny. Now it's Feliz. Only Soria, Alex Wilson and Blaine Hardy have done their jobs all season. Any time Ausmus calls down there for anyone else, he might as well be ordering pizza.

This team is going to sink in the standings now, especially if Cespedes gets dealt in the next 17 hours. I think we'd all better hang on, because the 2015 season is headed for a rough landing.
 
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I think Ausmus has made a number of very good decisions as well as some bad ones. When they were in oakland he managed brilliantly and we won three straight while scoring 4 total runs. So his ability has shown on the field. Secondly, he's a good judge of talent and the players like him. those things count. So blaming him for the losses is fine, but give him credit for wins too.
A number of times he got the right guy in there at the right time.
I hope they don't ditch him.
Last week, when he left Krol in to face two hitters who both hit under 200, I thought that was the right decision. He should have been able to get them out and it would have made a difference in the next inning if that had happened.
 
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2 minor leaguers from the Mets. Meh.

Well, football is a month away
 
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There have been worse outfields than Davis, Gose, and JD. However, since we only have two players with decent power for the next month or so (if Miggy comes back at all), how many games back do we finish? 15? 20?
 
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I hope this team loses 90 games this year. I'm serious. Higher draft pick, plus if it's top 10, then it's protected if we go sign free agents this fall.
 
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