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Detroit Tigers, Volume 2 - The Charlie Gehringer version

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Congrats to the 2012 AL Central Champion Detroit Tigers.

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Hammer said:
I think they lit their money on fire.
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We may be saying the same thing in 5-6 years. Do the math- Fielder, Cabby, Martinez and Verlander= how much? CoPa only seats 40k- so that is a ton of parking, concessions and tv rights to make up for those four + the rest of the team.

Cabrera can't afford to slump now and Fielder better pop 30+ dingers to make up for the defensive liabilities we have in the infield.
 
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Hammer said:
First, can Miguel Cabrera play third base like his hands aren't sewn on backwards, or welded to a pair of skillets?
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Miguel Cabrera's last game at third base in a Tiger uniform will be in Lakeland, Florida, on about March 15. I just don't see any way that he is a Major League third baseman. Right now, I think the Tigers are still stuck with Kelly/Inge at third, Cabrera DH'ing, Raburn at second, and Santiago backing up Peralta and Raburn.
 
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Alton said:
Miguel Cabrera's last game at third base in a Tiger uniform will be in Lakeland, Florida, on about March 15. I just don't see any way that he is a Major League third baseman. Right now, I think the Tigers are still stuck with Kelly/Inge at third, Cabrera DH'ing, Raburn at second, and Santiago backing up Peralta and Raburn.
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Unless they deal Raburn/Inge in a trade. Never say never.
 
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...Fielder better pop 30+ dingers to make up for the defensive liabilities we have in the infield.
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As a Brewers fan... Fielder IS a defensive liability in the infield. And he WILL pop 30 dingers a year.



Just be ready to swear and throw things at your TV when he strikes out in the 8th inning with runners on and the Tigers down by a run or two...
 
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aparch said:
Just be ready to swear and throw things at your TV when he strikes out in the 8th inning with runners on and the Tigers down by a run or two...
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We've been doing that every game for the last five years.
 
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aparch said:
As a Brewers fan... Fielder IS a defensive liability in the infield. And he WILL pop 30 dingers a year.



Just be ready to swear and throw things at your TV when he strikes out in the 8th inning with runners on and the Tigers down by a run or two...
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We're already used to that- Jackson, Boesch, Peralta, Miggy are not immune and the bottom half of the order is essentially a bye for whomever is pitching-especially with Raburn, Inge and our newest/oldest .090 batting back-up catcher returning to the Tigers. The only guy that you would not want out of the lineup this season in that situation just tore up his knee.
 
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streaker said:
We may be saying the same thing in 5-6 years. Do the math- Fielder, Cabby, Martinez and Verlander= how much? CoPa only seats 40k- so that is a ton of parking, concessions and tv rights to make up for those four + the rest of the team.
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Fielder's contract is worth 43 million Hot 'n Readys alone. :D
 
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We've got $446 million tied up in Verlander, Cabrera and Fielder alone. Maybe a little less now that Verlander is a couple years into his contract. The team was valued at $385 million sometime in the past year.

Again. This is it right here. This is championship or bust for Ilitch. He's 82 and the team is 55% leveraged, among the highest debt ratios in baseball. If we don't cash one in within 3 years, we won't win one in another 40, because that's about how long it's going to take Ilitch's kids to dig out of this debt.

I suspect we're going to ride the rapids with Cabrera at 3B. It might be a situation where he makes a 2-run error in the top of the 6th and then comes up in the bottom half and hits a 3-run cannon shot that comes down somewhere in Nashville. If not, DH is blocked for the duration. We need to face the fact that we're going to have a well below average defense. It's going to be up to our pitching depth and our 2-7 hitters to blast our way out of things. Get used to a lot of 3:30-4 hour ball games this year.
 
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I'm kind of wondering if some of the plan here is to just to make it to the trade deadline in the hunt, and see who's willing to make a deal for whatever parts the Tigers would really need at that point. Could be that somebody else in the AL Central sees that the next couple of years that they're screwed, so they might be willing to trade a great second or third baseman for prospects to be named later. Maybe something like a rent a player deal perhaps. On paper, I would think that's about the best move that makes the most sense.
 
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Hammer said:
We've got $446 million tied up in Verlander, Cabrera and Fielder alone. Maybe a little less now that Verlander is a couple years into his contract. The team was valued at $385 million sometime in the past year.

Again. This is it right here. This is championship or bust for Ilitch. He's 82 and the team is 55% leveraged, among the highest debt ratios in baseball. If we don't cash one in within 3 years, we won't win one in another 40, because that's about how long it's going to take Ilitch's kids to dig out of this debt.

I suspect we're going to ride the rapids with Cabrera at 3B. It might be a situation where he makes a 2-run error in the top of the 6th and then comes up in the bottom half and hits a 3-run cannon shot that comes down somewhere in Nashville. If not, DH is blocked for the duration. We need to face the fact that we're going to have a well below average defense. It's going to be up to our pitching depth and our 2-7 hitters to blast our way out of things. Get used to a lot of 3:30-4 hour ball games this year.
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From a business standpoint (with your focus on accounting and mine in marketing and finance) this is real dangerous. BUT, if you look at it from the standpoint of everything Ilitch owns, including the Wings, it's not as bad. What it does do is limit the movement he can make for that other franchise in terms of FA signings or contract extensions. Little Ceasars +Olympia Entertainment is in pretty good position- especially the assets Marion owns separately-but this just placed the poker chips at the casino "all in".

Makes you wonder if he really could have bought the Pistons and still manage the Wings and Tigers like this, though.
 
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Leyland: "I'm not concerned about speed. If they hit the way they're supposed to hit, they can trot."
 
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Wow.

Fielder will earn $23 million in each of his first two years with Detroit, then will make $24 million annually in the final seven seasons of his $214 million, nine-year contract, according to terms obtained by The Associated Press.
Fielder would get an additional $500,000 if he's the AL MVP, $200,000 if he's second through fifth and $100,000 if he's sixth through 10th. For each MVP he wins after the first, he would get $1 million.

He also would get $100,000 if he's an All-Star starter and $50,000 if he's a reserve, or alternatively $100,000 if he's a Baseball America or Sporting News postseason All-Star. He also would receive $100,000 for a Gold Glove, $100,000 for a Silver Slugger, $100,000 for the Hank Aaron Award, $150,000 for league championship series MVP and $200,000 for World Series MVP.

In addition, he gets a hotel suite on the road.
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A hotel suite, huh?
 
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aparch said:
Obviously, Leyland didn't have a reason to watch Brewers game tape. I'll let MLB.tv help him:
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=2963535&c_id=mlb
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=20070813&c_id=mlb
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Two rather unusual IPHRs. The one at Miller Park: Wouldn't the Toronto right fielder have known the local ground rules? And, the one at the Metrodome, what else can you say, how many outfielders lost sight of the ball on the fly in that place? In both of them, the ball isn't played until Prince is either past third base or at third base. He was motoring around the bases pretty good at the Metrodome though.
 
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Two rather unusual IPHRs. The one at Miller Park: Wouldn't the Toronto right fielder have know the local ground rules? And, the one at the Metrodome, what else can you say, how many outfielders lost sight of the ball on the fly in that place? In both of them, the ball isn't played until Prince is either past third base or at third base. He was motoring around the bases pretty good at the Metrodome though.
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He's got wheels for a fatty.
 
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