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Detroit Tigers, 2009, Part III: How long does it take for Leyland to screw this up?

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Sloe Gin said:
The Tigers have nothing to be ashamed about.
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~ Laird personally stranded 10 runners on base.

~ Twice, with runner on the corners and less then 2 outs, the Tigers fail to score the game winning run... let alone even attempt to lay down a bunt.

~ The Tigers and Twins may be the best two teams in the division, but they also play in MLB's worst division. Looking at the AL as a whole they are nothing better then middle-of-the-pack teams.

~ It may have been a good game in terms of excitement, but in terms of level of play it was a horrid game.
 
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Hammer said:
Here's the final totals for the year

I've got it sorted by SLG. He's at the bottom for slugging for the regulars, just below Everett. If you sort by OBP, he's right there fighting with Everett and Aubrey Huff at the bottom there as well.
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How do you slug worse than Adam Everett? :confused:
 
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moe24 said:
~ Laird personally stranded 10 runners on base.

~ Twice, with runner on the corners and less then 2 outs, the Tigers fail to score the game winning run... let alone even attempt to lay down a bunt.
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That was the big one right there.
 
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moe24 said:
~ It may have been a good game in terms of excitement, but in terms of level of play it was a horrid game.
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Yup.
 
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Sloe Gin said:
from a Twins fan...that was a helluva game and it's unfortunate there had to be a loser. The Tigers have nothing to be ashamed about...it was a great game and both teams played like it. I know it's tough to swallow, but hold your heads up as fans. That's a great ballclub you have over there.
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and they aren't the Packers, don't forget that.
 
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moe24 said:
~ Twice, with runner on the corners and less then 2 outs, the Tigers fail to score the game winning run... let alone even attempt to lay down a bunt.
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I'd hesitate to call it the winning run. They did take the lead once in extras and couldn't hold it. Even if Laird had taken that walk, the Twins would have tied it and would have had the winning run on third with one out.

Something would have happened. A double play ball would have skipped through on that concrete carpet they have behind the pitcher's mound, somebody would have lost a ball in the lights, the roof(which was leaking in multiple spots last night) would have caused Granderson to slip and misplay a ball. Something would have screwed us and gone the Twins way. I'm really glad I never have to go into that building ever again.
 
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The Paragon of Virtue said:
How do you slug worse than Adam Everett? :confused:
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I take it you slept through Gump Laird's at bats last night.
 
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MaizeRage said:
I'm really glad I never have to go into that building ever again.
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Until the NCAA awards the Dome the Frozen 4...:rolleyes: :p ;)
 
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speekeasy8 said:
Yup.
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Was it really that horrid? Sure there were definetly some blown offensive and defensive chances but there also were some amazing defense and offense that occured. I didn't think it was that awful.
 
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I say next year we have the pitchers bat and DH for Laird at catcher if he's still around. Jesus.
 
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Right now I'd trade Laird for a Happy Meal and a Slurpee, and have Avila catch next year. The Slurpee would have a higher OBP than Laird.
 
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Hammer said:
I take it you slept through Gump Laird's at bats last night.
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I saw them. I'm just bewildered by the idea that someone can play everyday and have a worse SLG than Adam Everett.
 
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Hammer said:
Right now I'd trade Laird for a Happy Meal and a Slurpee, and have Avila catch next year. The Slurpee would have a higher OBP than Laird.
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Leyland played him, in hindsight, to keep the Twins from running. That's all. Doesn't dismiss him from PH with guys like Avila, Thomas and Thames on the bench. Shoot, I'd even bring back Craig Monroe if he could catch.

But, this is what plagued the team all season. Failure to score w/RISP w/ less than two outs. It was up and down the lineup, not just Laird. And Laird was pretty successful when called upon to sacrifice runners/squeeze.

And, just as a conspiracy thought, maybe my Cabrera inquisition (that you and I debated about) wasn't so offbase now that he may have a drinking issue. Don't know how many games he came to the park hungover and just took games off. Just amazing the year he had, even with that issue.

Oh, and don't let Miner off of the hook, either. He stunk in key spots this season. Rodney was victimized by the Rayburn folly in the ninth... they didn't exactly rough him up.
 
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Miner was fine for what he is. He got some huge outs in the series in the series against Minnestoa at Comerica. If he was a guaranteed three outs every time he came out of the bullpen, he'd be our closer next year.
 
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I haven't been posting for the tigers all year. For one strong reason, total lack of middle relief.

How many leads did they blow before Rodney even got in there. Find one, and that would have eliminated the need for last nights game. (on the other hand, had they lost a few middle seasons games where the middle gave up a lead only to have the Tigres come back, the opposite would also be true)

3-0 should have been good enough. It wasn't.

I'm not going to get into 5-4.

While clutch hitting and fielding need to be addressed, until they get a couple of decent middle relievers, it's pointless. Clutch isn't a problem when you hold leads from the mound.

Tigers have better than average starting pitching, decent enough closers, but horrendus middle.

The game starts as a 1-1 battle between pitcher and hitter. If the Tigers keep giving away the 6-8 innings, then there's really little hope.
 
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MaizeRage said:
Miner was fine for what he is. He got some huge outs in the series in the series against Minnestoa at Comerica. If he was a guaranteed three outs every time he came out of the bullpen, he'd be our closer next year.
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Exactly. Before people tear into middle relievers, they need to remember that ALL middle relievers suck. If they didn't suck, they wouldn't be middle relievers!

If you look at every MLB team, the worst pitcher on the staff is the middle reliever. The only way to have a decent middle reliever is to have 6 quality starting pitchers... and even then, your GM would probably try to deal the 6th guy.

Middle relievers are only exposed when the starting pitcher doesn't get the job done. In this particular case, it's a little tricky, because the Tigers are so protective of Porcello's pitch count... but in general, if your middle reliever is pitching more than 1 inning, either your starting pitcher failed you, or the game went deep into extra innings.
 
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Miner is fine as long as he doesn't get wild. His BB/K's ratio is bad. Once runners reach base, his ERA balloons. I like the guy, sometimes he is lights out... but hanging that slider was inexcusable.

Edit: one other stat: the guy allowed 150 baserunners in 92 innings. That's about 1.5 ROB per inning. Too many, which supports my point. Only Fernando Rodney could get away with that kind of base traffic without too much damage.

Let's face it... the Tigers gagged because they went 1-5 against KC and 1-5 against Chicago down the stretch. The urgency they showed last night could have salted the division over a week ago if they applied it to those other games.
 
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All coaches invited back except Van Slyke. Link.

I don't get it. Outfield was fine until they all decided to choke the final week.
 
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I heart AVS. I hope the Mets snap him up and give him a lower minor managerial post.
 
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Spartanforlife4 said:
All coaches invited back except Van Slyke. Link.

I don't get it. Outfield was fine until they all decided to choke the final week.
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I think it stinks, too. If anyone should have been tossed, it should have been Lloyd.

The outfielders were inconsistent because of their skills, not because of their coaching.
 
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