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Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Dump won it by over 150,000 votes. It's a goner for sure if a centrist is nominated, IMO.
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Sherrod isn't a "centrist"

https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/dont-mistake-sherrod-brown-for-being-a-moderate/

scoring a 5.92 out of 100 in his lifetime ACU rating, ranking him among the most liberal senators. He’s rated 13 out of 100 by the NRA, 4 percent lifetime by Club for Growth, 3 percent by Americans for Prosperity, 2 percent by NumbersUSA, a zero by the Center for Security Policy, a zero by the American Energy Alliance, and a zero by Citizens Against Government Waste.

He’s rated 100 percent lifetime — meaning he’s never voted against their preferred position — by Planned Parenthood and NARAL (abortion), the Brady Campaign (gun control), the Human Rights Campaign (gay rights), the National Education Association (teacher’s unions), National Active and Retired Federal Employees Association (government workers and spending), Council on Islamic-American Relations, the Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund, a 93 percent out of 100 by the League of Conservation Voters, and anywhere from 83 to 100 by various labor unions.
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A brokered convention gets us Moneybags vs POS Wannabe Moneybags. If there is no winner on the first ballot Mike buys enough delegates to win (he'll already own most superdelegates who would come back into play) and he's the nominee. No drama, no TV show. It wouldnt be American Idol so much as a boring episode of Shark Tank.

No matter who wins in November it would signal the end of our Republic. Not that most of you care.
 
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I'll still check the box for Mike over the Donald.
 
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BassAle said:
I'll still check the box for Mike over the Donald.
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I will too, happily, and that should tell everybody something.

We have one job. Everything else is gravy.
 
sagard said:
You just picking up the signal now?
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It doesn't have to be the end. We have a chance to nominate and elect someone who will restore Democracy (or Representative Republicanism) but very few in this thread seem interested in that. A friend of mine likes to say he'd vote for a traffic cone over Sniffles. That's nice and all, but maybe we can nominate a better choice?
 
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ticapnews said:
It doesn't have to be the end. We have a chance to nominate and elect someone who will restore Democracy (or Representative Republicanism) but very few in this thread seem interested in that. A friend of mine likes to say he'd vote for a traffic cone over Sniffles. That's nice and all, but maybe we can nominate a better choice?
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You are confusing two issues. When people say "blue no matter who" they aren't saying they don't care who gets the nomination or what they stand for. They're expressing the need to defeat Nazis.

Putting emphasis on the one is not withdrawing it from the other. That's a false choice deliberately being seeded through our ranks by the enemy.

Think of it this way. If a somebody says "I'm starving, I need to eat" and somebody else says "we should eat healthier," they are not contradicting each other. They are each talking about a different problem, but those solutions are not in conflict.

When people act as if having solidarity behind all Dems is somehow detracting from the fight to find the best Dem, they are falling into a propaganda trap laid by conservative and Russian agitprop. That is an explicit, intentional, and clever attack on us. Don't give it oxygen.
 
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Žižek is sometimes intellectually dishonest to the point of fraudulence, however in this lecture he is interesting.
 
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The democratic primary process will be easier to fix to prevent another billionaire Mike should he win the nomination in a brokered convention vs fixing our entire Democracy should Trump win again.
 
BassAle said:
The democratic primary process will be easier to fix to prevent another billionaire Mike should he win the nomination in a brokered convention vs fixing our entire Democracy should Trump win again.
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Neither will be fixed. The people in charge of fixing the problem don't want it fixed because they don't see it as a problem. It's not a bug; it's a feature.
 
ticapnews said:
Neither will be fixed. The people in charge of fixing the problem don't want it fixed because they don't see it as a problem. It's not a bug; it's a feature.
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Trump vs Bloomberg isn’t even ****ing close. Bloomberg isn’t a nazi. Bloomberg believes in climate change. Bloomberg supports paid family and sick leave. He supports a $15 minimum wage. He supports an assault weapon ban and universal background checks. He supports raising capital gains taxes and a “special tax for the wealthy”. I doubt he is a fan of putting people in cages, or using foreign governments to help his political campaign. I doubt he supports shrinking national monuments putting ancient artifacts, petroglyphs, and sacred Native American locations at risk for uranium mining on previously protected land.

Acting like he’s as bad as Trump and would be the end of our democracy is idiotic.
 
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He wouldn't beat Trump and is only marginally better even if he somehow did.
 
BassAle said:
Trump vs Bloomberg isn’t even ****ing close. Bloomberg isn’t a nazi. Bloomberg believes in climate change. Bloomberg supports paid family and sick leave. He supports a $15 minimum wage. He supports an assault weapon ban and universal background checks. He supports raising capital gains taxes and a “special tax for the wealthy”. I doubt he is a fan of putting people in cages, or using foreign governments to help his political campaign. I doubt he supports shrinking national monuments putting ancient artifacts, petroglyphs, and sacred Native American locations at risk for uranium mining on previously protected land.

Acting like he’s as bad as Trump and would be the end of our democracy is idiotic.
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You misunderstood my post. You posited that it would be easier to fix the nomination process in the Democratic Party if Bloomberg won. I'm saying it would be moot. It wouldn't be fixed at all because the people in charge don't see it as a problem.
 
trixR4kids said:
He wouldn't beat Trump and is only marginally better even if he somehow did.
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No. Mike Pence would be marginally better. Any Democrat this side of Tulsi would be markedly better.

I don't like Bloomberg at all, especially when I read how he's harming down ballot prospects by hiring every available operative for his own campaign. But acting as though it's a tough choice between him and Trump is as stupid now as it was 4 years ago with Hillary. Let's not repeat that same mistake, shall we?
 
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If we're going to let a Republican who supported George Bush for president run for our nomination, who else? Let's see if Donald Rumsfeld is available. Colin Powell is popular. Let's call him. Meghan McCain? Where do we draw the line? Or do you just want to erase the line and let anyone run?
 
BassAle said:
Trump vs Bloomberg isn’t even ****ing close. Bloomberg isn’t a nazi. Bloomberg believes in climate change. Bloomberg supports paid family and sick leave. He supports a $15 minimum wage. He supports an assault weapon ban and universal background checks. He supports raising capital gains taxes and a “special tax for the wealthy”. I doubt he is a fan of putting people in cages, or using foreign governments to help his political campaign. I doubt he supports shrinking national monuments putting ancient artifacts, petroglyphs, and sacred Native American locations at risk for uranium mining on previously protected land.

Acting like he’s as bad as Trump and would be the end of our democracy is idiotic.
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Both sides.

It ain't just for rubes.
 
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