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Democratic Challengers 8: Candidates Can Only Work for A Vegan Farm Market

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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
100% This. I like Bernie. I can't stand the Bernie Bros.
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CNN had a segment last night where they interviewed the people in the Sanders area and asked if Bernie was not the nominee would they all support any Dem nominee. Every person said yes they would, enthusiastically.

The distinction of Sanders supporters as being different from others is BS. He's just a candidate; they're just voters.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Surprise, surprise, surprise. Information Systems fails again. I am shocked.

Good job, Perez. Turnout was not UP. And this is an unmitigated disaster.
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I used to think life in my head was depressing.
 
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Is there any chance that the distraction of the impeachment might be part of the reason things went pear shaped last night?
 
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I’m glad we got rid of the caucus this year. Unfortunately we won’t have ranked choice in the primary until the 2024 election.
 
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Caucuses are fine in theory -- live RCV is cool! But in practice it's exclusionary. Now combine with holding the first choice in the most lily white and rural state in the country and you couldn't design a system to suppress the influence of liberals and POC more if you did it deliberately.
 
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It sounded like the Republican caucus was just a secret ballot single vote. How is that any different than a primary except for the shorter voting window?
 
Kepler said:
Caucuses are fine in theory -- live RCV is cool! But in practice it's exclusionary. Now combine with holding the first choice in the most lily white and rural state in the country and you couldn't design a system to suppress the influence of liberals and POC more if you did it deliberately.
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Apparently you missed the entrance polls showing Iowa's Democrats that caucused were more liberal than national Democrats as a whole.
 
Kepler said:
CNN had a segment last night where they interviewed the people in the Sanders area and asked if Bernie was not the nominee would they all support any Dem nominee. Every person said yes they would, enthusiastically.

The distinction of Sanders supporters as being different from others is BS. He's just a candidate; they're just voters.
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You have your anecdotal evidence. I have mine.

My statement remains. I like Bernie. I can't stand the Bernie Bros.
 
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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
You have your anecdotal evidence. I have mine.

My statement remains. I like Bernie. I can't stand the Bernie Bros.
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Here's my critical test: have you personally met any BBs who were like this?

If you have, fine. I have never met a Bernie Bro who meets the stereotype and I have met hundreds of Bernie supporters.

We could build a meme of Cannibal Klobuchar Supporters if we wanted to.
 
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It is humorous to read comments from reasonably wealthy, college-educated white guys complaining about the "Bernie Bros" who comprise one of the most diverse campaigns in American history.
 
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Kepler said:
Here's my critical test: have you personally met any BBs who were like this?
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yes. absolutely. I even know some that were so butthurt in 2016 that they voted for Trump.
 
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Kevin Kruse tweets this morning that in 2012 it took 16 days to decide and announce the winner of the Republican Iowa Caucus.

So maybe people should calm down.
 
Kepler said:
Here's my critical test: have you personally met any BBs who were like this?

If you have, fine. I have never met a Bernie Bro who meets the stereotype and I have met hundreds of Bernie supporters.

We could build a meme of Cannibal Klobuchar Supporters if we wanted to.
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You need to get out more apparently. Yes, I have met numerous Bernie Bros like this. Of course, maybe its a geographic difference. Perhaps the flied on Bernie Bros are more reasonable?
 
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BassAle said:
yes. absolutely. I even know some that were so butthurt in 2016 that they voted for Trump.
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This genuinely blows me away.

I'm fascinated so let's take it further. My guess on people like that is they felt ostracized by the whole political system prior to 2016, and they were brought in by Bernie and then simply moved their chips to the other candidate giving TPTB the middle finger. Does that check with your experience?

FS23, same question for you.

The Bernie supporters I know come out of either the left wing of Democratic politics or an overt Socialist perspective. These people would never support Dump -- he's the opposite of everything they stand for. They also tend to vote straight blue no matter who just to keep the GOP fascists at bay. Basically, they came to Sanders out of ideology, not personality. That's why I have such a hard time believing in the Butthurt Bernie meme.
 
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