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Days Since Last Shooting II

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I agree that a combination of actions can be taken. Things that make sense and would have an impact. I would also say that said actions do not need to go to the extent of what Australia did, where my understanding is that you basically have to have a pretty good chunk of money to get a license and join a private club to access a gun.
 
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alfablue said:
We CAN do something. If people would only pull their heads out of gun makers rear ends.
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This will not happen with the orcs until guns become unlinked from their cultural identity, but that will never happen. That link was painstakingly forged over the last 40 years by the NRA to provide a human shield for their profits. So we must wait for the orcs to die off.

If the cigarette ban had come along now instead of thirty years ago we'd be having the same discussion over it. It isn't about guns -- the guns are irrelevant. It's about a failed culture circling the drain, thrashing and squawling. Unfit as configured to thrive in modern life, unable to change, and incompetent to create a viable future for itself, it clings to a cartoon version of the past. This is Toynbee's "recapitulation" phase of history that overtakes every dying culture. It is nostalgic for an image of the past but produces nothing new -- a final, sterile, copycat generation. ISIS à la Alabama.

Just keep the sharp objects out of their hands and let them self-segregate and slowly pass away. Let them keep their totems and their slave wives and their abused children and their magic book. Ease them out of the military and law enforcement by imposing higher and higher education and intelligence entry barriers.

When they come armed for trouble rout them; when they slink away leave them alone.
 
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Kepler said:
This will not happen until guns become unlinked from cultural identity. That link was painstakingly forged over the last 40 years by the NRA to provide a human shield for their profits.

If the cigarette ban had come along now instead of thirty years ago we'd be having the same discussion over it. It isn't about guns -- the guns are irrelevant. It's about a failed culture going the way of the dodo, and not happy about it. Unfit to thrive in modern life, and incompetent to lead to a different future, they cling to a cartoon version of the past. It is Toynbee "nostalgia" phase of history that overtakes every dying culture.

Just keep the sharp objects out of their hands and let them self-segregate and slowly pass away. Let them keep their totems and their slave wives and their abused children and their magic book. Ease them out of the military and law enforcement by imposing higher and higher entry education and intelligence barriers. If they come looking for trouble rout them; if they slink away leave them alone.
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Then the best we can do is just get used to it.

And we should call out the NRA, the gun industry, and the fools who are dumb enough to follow them for their fake sorrow. Because it very much is fake.
 
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Looks like we just avoided another one by the skin of our teeth.

JOHNSON CITY, Tenn. – Federal agents are trying to determine why a man pulled over for speeding in Tennessee was carrying a cache of weapons including two submachine guns and 900 rounds of ammunition.

Deputies found Scott Edmisten, 43, of Johnson City, carrying a .357-caliber Magnum, a loaded .45-caliber semi-automatic, a .223-caliber fully automatic assault rifle, a .308-caliber fully automatic assault rifle, more than 900 rounds of ammunition, and survival equipment, Washington County Sheriff Ed Graybeal said.

Graybeal asked the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms to help investigate, since the automatic weapons aren't registered and lack serial numbers. He told The Johnson City Press that Edmisten had apparently modified the AR rifles to make them automatics.

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Graybeal said Edmisten threatened his arresting officer and lunged toward investigators trying to question him. He's jailed without bond on charges of possessing prohibited weapons, speeding, and felony evading arrest.
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Here's our hero in his own words:

Edmisten reportedly told the officer there were no serial numbers on the rifles because he made both of them about a year ago. He told Casura he’d never fired the guns so he didn’t know if they would actually work. Edmisten told the officer he had made several weapons, but didn’t know how many.

“The defendant then became very angry and stated, ‘I know this is about CPS, and I promise you they will get the justice that is coming,’” Casura wrote in the warrant. The officer asked Edmisten what he meant.

“He stated all I needed to know is that justice is coming and I could add myself to that list,” Casura stated. The conversation ended shortly after that, but Edmisten told Casura “it only takes one,” which he said he meant that it would only take one bullet to kill himself.
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It's a long process. We start by re-banning assault rifles, and forcing manufacturers to make semi-auto actions that can't be so easily modified by the average nut - excuse me, "enthusiast". Why? You have to start somewhere.

We also introduce laws around registration, sales, and mental health. No more private sales or loopholes - mandatory background checks for all. Registration is mandatory, and if a crime is committed with a gun registered as owned by you, you're liable to be held at least partially responsible.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
It's a long process. We start by re-banning assault rifles, and forcing manufacturers to make semi-auto actions that can't be so easily modified by the average nut - excuse me, "enthusiast". Why? You have to start somewhere.
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I agree with that. But that doesn't do anything to stop a guy that fabricates a gun from raw materials in his basement, like the guy Kep posted about apparently did.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
I agree with that. But that doesn't do anything to stop a guy that fabricates a gun from raw materials in his basement, like the guy Kep posted about apparently did.
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I suspect he was drunk/high and/or exaggerating. They are probably AR-type weapons that he bought, and then modified the action on his own workbench.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
I suspect he was drunk/high and/or exaggerating. They are probably AR-type weapons that he bought, and then modified the action on his own workbench.
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And I suspect you'd be wrong about that. I posted earlier in the thread it could be done fairly easily, I wasn't just making stuff up.
 
Wisko McBadgerton said:
And I suspect you'd be wrong about that. I posted earlier in the thread it could be done fairly easily, I wasn't just making stuff up.
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Not “fairly easily” by any stretch to fabricate an automatic rifle. It would take unusually high levels of skill, knowledge, effort, and a huge investment in machining equipment. Such a person is a very wide exception.
 
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geezer said:
Not “fairly easily” by any stretch to fabricate an automatic rifle. It would take unusually high levels of skill, knowledge, effort, and a huge investment in machining equipment. Such a person is a very wide exception.
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Well you guys are the experts on this stuff, but I disagree.
There are thousands, probably tens of thousands, of these types of home-built semi-automatic firearms out there. Perhaps not full auto, but as has been discussed, that's a relatively minor issue to overcome.
 
Wisko McBadgerton said:
Well you guys are the experts on this stuff, but I disagree.
There are thousands, probably tens of thousands, of these types of home-built semi-automatic firearms out there. Perhaps not full auto, but as has been discussed, that's a relatively minor issue to overcome.
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I don’t doubt there are but I object to the “fairly simple” characterization. It takes a serious commitment, it’s not like building a BLT. Has someone with that ability ever used it in a mass murder?
Anyway, whether this guy built or modified, glad he was caught. Contrary to popular opinion there are cops out there doing good and important work for us.
 
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Was going to respond, but then I saw that Wisko not only made up estimated numbers with no source, but also backpedaled. So why bother?
 
geezer said:
I don’t doubt there are but I object to the “fairly simple” characterization. It takes a serious commitment, it’s not like building a BLT. Has someone with that ability ever used it in a mass murder?
Anyway, whether this guy built or modified, glad he was caught. Contrary to popular opinion there are cops out there doing good and important work for us.
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Why would they? Most of the guns used in these crimes were purchased legally.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Was going to respond, but then I saw that Wisko not only made up estimated numbers with no source, but also backpedaled. So why bother?
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I'd think it would be self evident that there is no source for numbers of guns produced in homes when the idea for some is to have a gun with no serial number that the government or anyone else knows you have.

For others they may want to do it for the same reason a guy builds a cabinet or a model airplane -- as a hobby. I have a friend who built a '32 Ford coupe in his garage. He ordered most of the parts. Like car parts, many gun parts wear out with use, so naturally there are replacement parts - barrels, triggers, springs, etc. available for sale. What you can't buy for an AR (for example) is the lower receiver, which is what houses everything and holds it together. This part is in fact "the gun" with the serial number on it, and it is regulated exactly like a complete gun is.
Now you can buy this part unfinished, and therefore unregulated, and finish milling it yourself with a $100 drill press. You can, for around $1500, buy a small CNC machine that will mill the whole thing from scratch out of a piece of aluminum stock at the push of a button. You can 3-d print one. (I wouldn't feel to good about that, but apparently it works.) There are other ways. You need no real skills to do most of these things and it has been done for years and years.
 
Wisko McBadgerton said:
I'd think it would be self evident that there is no source for numbers of guns produced in homes when the idea for some is to have a gun with no serial number that the government or anyone else knows you have.

For others they may want to do it for the same reason a guy builds a cabinet or a model airplane -- as a hobby. I have a friend who built a '32 Ford coupe in his garage. He ordered most of the parts. Like car parts, many gun parts wear out with use, so naturally there are replacement parts - barrels, triggers, springs, etc. available for sale. What you can't buy for an AR (for example) is the lower receiver, which is what houses everything and holds it together. This part is in fact "the gun" with the serial number on it, and it is regulated exactly like a complete gun is.
Now you can buy this part unfinished, and therefore unregulated, and finish milling it yourself with a $100 drill press. You can, for around $1500, buy a small CNC machine that will mill the whole thing from scratch out of a piece of aluminum stock at the push of a button. You can 3-d print one. (I wouldn't feel to good about that, but apparently it works.) There are other ways. You need no real skills to do most of these things and it has been done for years and years.
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I see. I thought you were talking about building the whole thing, not assembling barrel, action etc out of catalog parts..: I wonder how much cheaper a good semi auto sidearm would be that way? Asking for a friend.
 
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I always thought McCarran was a bit too close...

Wisko McBadgerton said:
I'd think it would be self evident that there is no source for numbers of guns produced in homes when the idea for some is to have a gun with no serial number that the government or anyone else knows you have.

For others they may want to do it for the same reason a guy builds a cabinet or a model airplane -- as a hobby. I have a friend who built a '32 Ford coupe in his garage. He ordered most of the parts. Like car parts, many gun parts wear out with use, so naturally there are replacement parts - barrels, triggers, springs, etc. available for sale. What you can't buy for an AR (for example) is the lower receiver, which is what houses everything and holds it together. This part is in fact "the gun" with the serial number on it, and it is regulated exactly like a complete gun is.
Now you can buy this part unfinished, and therefore unregulated, and finish milling it yourself with a $100 drill press. You can, for around $1500, buy a small CNC machine that will mill the whole thing from scratch out of a piece of aluminum stock at the push of a button. You can 3-d print one. (I wouldn't feel to good about that, but apparently it works.) There are other ways. You need no real skills to do most of these things and it has been done for years and years.
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How many people are dedicated enough to do this?
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
I always thought McCarran was a bit too close...



How many people are dedicated enough to do this?
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I would guess the ones who are innocent enough to keep it as a pure hobby, or the ones demented enough to use the hobby as an aggression.
 
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