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BassAle said:
The second amendment was one of our founding fathers biggest mistakes.
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joecct said:
By the rude bridge that arched the flood,
Their flag to April’s breeze unfurled,
Here once the embattled farmers stood,
And fired the shot heard round the world.

Take away the farmers' guns and their is no rebellion, no Declaration of Independence and no Constitution. The Founding Fathers knew exactly what they were doing.
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Ah, but what was their intent in the writing? We are using our modern lens to interpret what was written then. Sort of like the Bible. People frequently leave the context behind and interpret in a way that they most like.

FlagDUDE08 said:
BassAle wants oppressive rule. I suggest BassAle move to Europe where BassAle can have what BassAle wants.
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That is just what this country was founded to reject.

This kind of comment makes me nuts. Telling people who disagree with you to leave is Un-American and foolish. There is about a 50/50 split on most hot button issues in this country so we could apply the same to you if we were to take the other side of the political coin. This is what people say when they have nothing intelligent to say and want things their way- democracy be dammed.

Part of Democracy is debate, and compromise. Somewhere in all this we have forgotten these 2 basic principles and are acting like children, throwing a temper tantrum to get their way. And just like those children, we get nothing. Unfortunately we aren't smart enough as a country to figure that out yet.
 
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A side note observation for this specific instance.

Considering what the first wife has said about the gunman, I do hope that this instance empowers more women to stand up against abuse. I know it's hard, but please try to stand up and report it.

I also see that cultures around the world don't treat women equally- but this is the US. Women are equally valuable, and we must never tolerate abuse.

Call in abuse.

Had this guy been prosecuted for abuse to his spouse, I wonder if he would have ever gotten guns.
 
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alfablue said:
A side note observation for this specific instance.

Considering what the first wife has said about the gunman, I do hope that this instance empowers more women to stand up against abuse. I know it's hard, but please try to stand up and report it.

I also see that cultures around the world don't treat women equally- but this is the US. Women are equally valuable, and we must never tolerate abuse.

Call in abuse.

Had this guy been prosecuted for abuse to his spouse, I wonder if he would have ever gotten guns.
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Great question!
 
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Kepler said:
Well then there are plenty of guns for everyone so we can stop making them and reply on the secondary market.
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And people wonder why gun manufacturers have privately erected a gold statue to Obama.

Keep going. Keep preaching bans and restrictions. I see no reason why we can't hit 5 million per month.


Another interesting stat. According to the Fish and Wildlife Service in 2001 there were about 13 million hunters in this country. In 2011 that number had escalated to 13.7 million.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
This is complete BS. You're looking like an idiot now.
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He's entitled to his opinion. Given that even the supreme court has ignored the militia clause, it's not unreasonable to believe that the second amendment, at the least, was poorly drafted.
 
SJHovey said:
And people wonder why gun manufacturers have privately erected a gold statue to Obama.

Keep going. Keep preaching bans and restrictions. I see no reason why we can't hit 5 million per month.
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If people want to waste their money stockpiling weapons and pretending they're going to take part in a real life Red Dawn scenario, let them. Keeps the prices down on actually fun hobbies and vacations.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
This is complete BS. You're looking like an idiot now.
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why? It's not B.S. It was poorly written, and because people think they have some "god given right" to own as many guns as they want and it is somehow their patriotic duty to own guns we now have a gun-obsessed culture.

I actually own a gun. But I would have no problem with there being more restrictions. It was a gift. I was never subject to a background check. Only a few family members know I own it.

I would never use a handgun for home defense because I would always store it locked up and separate from it's ammo.

The truth is the real idiots are the gun nuts that won't accept any changes to our insanely stupid system. The reason the NRA lobby has pressured congress to not allow the CDC to study gun violence is because the NRA KNOWS that any scientific study of gun violence will, without a doubt, come to the conclusion that more regulation WILL lower the rates of gun violence. This has been proven around the world. But as long as the NRA can scream "second amendment" they will have free reign to block any sensible regulation.
 
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SJHovey said:
There might be 300 or 400 million guns in this country already. The "limiting access" argument is a horse that's left the barn.
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Does that apply across the board or just to guns...asking for a friend.
 
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hockeyplayer1015 said:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ok-post-says-more-people-were-murdered-knive/

For the "assault weapons are the worst weapons" side of the fence. Some interesting facts here.
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So...knives are more dangerous than guns because they are involved in more deaths? I would suggest that if guns were just as common and were used in as many applications as knives...deaths by guns would be much much higher.

Still disagree? Then let's reclassify 'bearing arms' as knives only. Afterall, knives are just as deadly and as good of a defense as guns per your logic.
 
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The folks that wrote the Constitution knew what they were doing. Yeah, they wrote it in a style that is arcane by today's use of the language.

What I find interesting is that they only mention two man-made machines in the whole document.

In Amendment I they state freedom of the press. Yeah, I'm taking some liberties here with the word "press". I'm reading it as the machine, not the journalist.

The other machine is in Amendment II: Arms.

The folks that wrote that were minions under the British crown who fought back and escaped tyranny; they lived it. And of all the things they could've written into the Constitution they wrote in just two man-made machines. Not ships; not butter churns; not smelters or anvils.

The press. And arms.

The only two man-made things. And in the first two Amendments.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Still disagree? Then let's reclassify 'bearing arms' as knives only. Afterall, knives are just as deadly and as good of a defense as guns per your logic.
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Knives are as deadly as guns.
As I've shown here previously, ND considers a five-inch knife as deadly as a handgun.

How can I say that?
The same ND concealed carry permit allows me to carry either concealed.

Yes, if you have a five inch or greater knife on you in ND, concealed, you are breaking the law.

Knowing the State considers them equally dangerous (same permit), I'll chose the handgun.
 
The Sicatoka said:
Knives are as deadly as guns.
As I've shown here previously, ND considers a five-inch knife as deadly as a handgun.

How can I say that?
The same ND concealed carry permit allows me to carry either concealed.

Yes, if you have a five inch or greater knife on you in ND, concealed, you are breaking the law.

Knowing the State considers them equally dangerous (same permit), I'll chose the handgun.
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Do you think he would have killed 50 people with a knife?
 
The Sicatoka said:
The folks that wrote the Constitution knew what they were doing. Yeah, they wrote it in a style that is arcane by today's use of the language.

What I find interesting is that they only mention two man-made machines in the whole document.

In Amendment I they state freedom of the press. Yeah, I'm taking some liberties here with the word "press". I'm reading it as the machine, not the journalist.

The other machine is in Amendment II: Arms.

The folks that wrote that were minions under the British crown who fought back and escaped tyranny; they lived it. And of all the things they could've written into the Constitution they wrote in just two man-made machines. Not ships; not butter churns; not smelters or anvils.

The press. And arms.

The only two man-made things. And in the first two Amendments.
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Not to nit pick, but it's clear press in the first amendment means journalists, not the machine. How does a machine have freedom?
 
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BassAle said:
The Canadians turned out just fine (and more civilized).

The problem with the second amendment is it is poorly worded (every gun humper ignores the well regulated militia part), and sure the founding fathers never shined private citizens would build huge personal arsenals of rapid fire weapons designed only to kill other humans.
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Canada would never have become its own country without the United States showing the Brits that they could face great trials and a depleted treasury should its northern New World colony decide to rebel the same as its former southern colony.

leswp1 said:
Ah, but what was their intent in the writing? We are using our modern lens to interpret what was written then. Sort of like the Bible. People frequently leave the context behind and interpret in a way that they most like.
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Jefferson was involved in writing it. He wanted to see a revolution occur every so often so that those in power would be less likely to abuse it. For better or worse, the man liked a good uprising. As to the rest of the Founding Fathers, they all saw what a group of farmers with muskets could do to the most powerful military in the world at the time. It's tough to argue that they wrote the amendment for any reason other than protection against the government without actually having to say the words. In historical context, it's hard not to see their intent.
 
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unofan said:
Not to nit pick, but it's clear press in the first amendment means journalists, not the machine. How does a machine have freedom?
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Journalists have freedom to use the machine to spread their information. Otherwise, they're doing a lot of writing by hand.
 
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