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Reports saying Omar house was broken in to, someone trying to keep his name out of it?
 
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Rover said:
More proof that Sicatoka is a loon is that there was an armed police officer on scene shooting it out with the guy. If an armed cop couldn't stop the initial onslaught how exactly is a John Rambo wannabe who never served but kills shooting at paper targets at the gun range going to help?
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If there's a distinct possibility there's armed folk, they'll think twice about shooting it up. Only one person armed and you know everyone else isn't because nightclubs have "security checks"? Sounds to me like an easy target. Not as easy as the "gun-free" places, mind you, but if your religion says you must exterminate the homosexuals, and the physical challenge is very limited, it's a risk they're willing to take in the name of Allah.
 
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burd said:
Except, Sic, in the balancing process required under your analogy, aren't we required to consider how many deaths are caused by speed traps?
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Where I grew up, quite a few, and the most common excuse: "Je ne parle pas anglais."
 
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St. Clown said:
So your lesson from that is to repeat our past mistakes because they'll never come back to bite us in the arse for a third time after the first and second?
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No I am just saying it is rather hilarious that many of the same people decrying flawed lists now had no issue denying people the right to vote back in 2000. Right to vote >>>>>>> right to have a gun cause you have a small wee wee.
 
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Handyman said:
Pretty sure we ban alcohol in cars in most states and set limits to how much you can mix alcohol with driving. Are you trying to make bad arguments or is it that UND education ;)
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I believe his point is that all the laws in the land can't stop stupid.
 
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The system failed here. Big time:
New information also emerged Monday on Mr. Mateen, including frightening statements he made three years ago to co-workers at a security firm about being tied to terrorism, and that the resulting F.B.I. investigation was quite extensive, lasting 10 months.

“First he claimed family connections to Al Qaeda,” which, like the Islamic State, is a Sunni Muslim terrorist group, James Comey, the F.B.I. director, said Monday. “He also said he was a member of Hezbollah,” a Shiite group in conflict with Al Qaeda and the Islamic State.

“He said he hoped that law enforcement would raid his apartment and assault his wife and child so that he could martyr himself,” Mr. Comey said.

“Our investigation involved introducing confidential sources to him, recording conversations with him, following him, reviewing transactional records from his communications,” and searching government records for mentions of him, the director said. “We then interviewed him twice. He admitted making the statements his co-workers reported, but explained that he did it in anger because he thought his co-workers were discriminating against him and teasing him because he was Muslim.”
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/14/us/orlando-shooting.html?_r=0
 
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bronconick said:
That bit of it almost sounds like the boy who cried wolf. He claimed to be connected to every terror group on earth so eventually the FBI figured he was full of it.
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Was just listening to radio on the way home and he claimed allegiance to to opposing radical groups who are in conflict with each other. He was on the phone 3 dif times with 911 and each time made different claims of allegiance. The person interviewed (sorry, didn't catch his name) who was connected to ? FBI postulated that the increased cov'g of ISIL may have prompted him to mention these groups, that as of yet there was no evidence yet he was connected to any of the groups mentioned.

Coming in late so not sure if this is old news.

my 2 cents~ the dude was a sick puppy. Sounds like he has a profile similar to the Sandy Hook shooter. He was very mentally disturbed, violent with his wife had erratic behavior at work, went off the deep end with horrible consequences. :( If he didn't have the various groups to say he was in allegiance he would have picked something else. People that sick don't get violent because of what they are claiming is the cause. They are violent and use the 'cause' as an excuse. (McVae, the Colombine kids, the Aurora shooting, Sandy Hook- al sick people with various excuses for violence)
 
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The scary part is the only thing that would have stopped this guy possibly is tighter gun laws.

He's native born so no immigration failure. There's no evidence he had any actual contact outside of in his head with the various terror groups he claims to be allied to. You can't jail the guy for spouting off hate speech. The only thing that would have worked is if people under investigation for terror ties have their right to own a firearm suspended. Then he would have been identified when he tried to purchase one. Could he then have acquired a firearm illegally? Sure. Would it have been an assault rifle? Maybe not.
 
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Rover said:
The scary part is the only thing that would have stopped this guy possibly is tighter gun laws.

He's native born so no immigration failure. There's no evidence he had any actual contact outside of in his head with the various terror groups he claims to be allied to. You can't jail the guy for spouting off hate speech. The only thing that would have worked is if people under investigation for terror ties have their right to own a firearm suspended. Then he would have been identified when he tried to purchase one. Could he then have acquired a firearm illegally? Sure. Would it have been an assault rifle? Maybe not.
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Rover, answer this please. Why do you differentiate an assault weapon from any other form of weapon?
 
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Kepler said:
It's not Islam or Christianity, it's the Craziness* of either.
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NPR has Christians at 31% and Islam at 23% of the world...if they were the source, the world would cease to exist.

Extremist hate and retribution from anger comes from individual make up. Individuals find many excuses for their hate.
 
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5mn_Major said:
There are always two problems - 1) Motivation 2) Means

You absolutely sub optimize if you don't address both. Oh and how many billions does one spend to end mental health issues in the US?

Guns are not allowed on airplanes, in banks or in US governing institutions. Why? We seem to have decided when security actually matters...guns are not fine.
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I agree that guns are not fine in certain circumstances. I was alluding to the that that gun ownership is fine under all circumstances other than metal health issue people and suspected terrorists.

Not enough money is spent on mental health. There ought to be a data base that would preclude you from buying a gun if you met the threshold of being banned due to your mental health. Seems simple enough.

The only other solution would be to ban all non single shot gun sales and collect all the firearms that are not single shot and destroy them. Then none of these instances would happen. We all know that will never happen.

I also think the Police need to act faster and just charge in there. Waiting 3 hrs or so to get in there cost many people their lives. They have body armor and pledge to give their lives to save others, do it.
 
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hockeyplayer1015 said:
Rover, answer this please. Why do you differentiate an assault weapon from any other form of weapon?
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Sure. In my definition its how many round you can fire off in rapid succession before having to stop and reload. If this guy shows up with a hand gun and fires off 6-10 rounds depending on the gun, then has to reload, maybe the cop on scene has a chance to stop him earlier. I'm curious how many rounds this guy did manage to get off.

I'm not naïve enough to think we're going to ban guns. The difference between 5 people getting killed and 50 is how many bullets the killer gets to fire.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
If there's a distinct possibility there's armed folk, they'll think twice about shooting it up. Only one person armed and you know everyone else isn't because nightclubs have "security checks"? Sounds to me like an easy target. Not as easy as the "gun-free" places, mind you, but if your religion says you must exterminate the homosexuals, and the physical challenge is very limited, it's a risk they're willing to take in the name of Allah.
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Not true. Are you saying that Omar assumed he would go back to retirement on the beach? He knew he was dead as soon as he pulled out his gun. And he didn't care.
 
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5mn_Major said:
I know you don't like religion, but it is not the source. NPR has Christians at 31% and Islam at 23% of the world...if they were the source, the world would cease to exist.
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You jumped from my statement, which talks about crazy religion, to your statement, which talks about religion.

Religions deal with profound issues. To the extent they are absolutist, they carve out a huge "Other" that is morally suspect. To the extent they are aggressive, they "take the fight to the enemy." That is a recipe for violence.

That vast majority of religious people are neither absolutist nor aggressive. People not blinded by a radical ideology learn throughout their lives to accommodate and compromise. They practice a diluted religion that fits around humanness.

The purists are the problem. "The dose makes the poison."

Now it may well be that authoritarians are magnetized by purist ideologies -- that the evil originates autobiographically (or bio-chemically) inside the individual and the crazy religion is only the delivery mechanism by which that evil finds a way to grip the person's whole mind. In that case it's a vehicle, not a source. But it's just as dangerous.
 
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