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The problem is mentally ill people/etc are getting guns. Legally or not. THAT'S the problem.
The problem is mentally ill people/etc are getting guns. Legally or not. THAT'S the problem.
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Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0
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bostonewe
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I'm not sure how this wouldn't be classified as terrorism regardless of skin color/ethnicity of the perpetrator.
I'm not sure how this wouldn't be classified as terrorism regardless of skin color/ethnicity of the perpetrator.
omahasioux1
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My head is fine. I would question where your head is.
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Mental health is the problem. Religion a close second (as in killing in the direct name of religion, a la ISIS or Christianity).
The guns are just a tool. We do need to close the loopholes in gun law, and actually enforce the gun laws we have. I would not be opposed to charging people with crimes who:
1. Don't secure their legally purchased guns
2. Those particular guns that are used in a crime
3. Straw-purchasers for gun buys
Etc etc.
Now, if it's proven you've taken EVERY precaution to secure your gun, and a gun of yours is somehow taken and used in a crime, and there would be a high bar to pass, then no charges.
Mental health is the problem. Religion a close second (as in killing in the direct name of religion, a la ISIS or Christianity).
The guns are just a tool. We do need to close the loopholes in gun law, and actually enforce the gun laws we have. I would not be opposed to charging people with crimes who:
1. Don't secure their legally purchased guns
2. Those particular guns that are used in a crime
3. Straw-purchasers for gun buys
Etc etc.
Now, if it's proven you've taken EVERY precaution to secure your gun, and a gun of yours is somehow taken and used in a crime, and there would be a high bar to pass, then no charges.
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Humans Suck!!
Humans Suck!!
Amen to this. The whole Mental Heathcare in the states here needs a serious upgrading. More places to actually treat the Unstable Mables out there instead of just some place that will give them some pills and gee, hope this works and remember to take them daily.
omahasioux1
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Have you secured your car keys from your kids, your baseball bats, your steak knives, your bare knuckles, your hammer, and I could go on.
JF_Gophers
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I'm not sure what point you thought you were making, but it failed.
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There is no denying that mental health issues play a significant role in many of these acts of public violence. But it is annoying to hear many politicians who have no time for better gun regulation, stating that instead we should address mental health issues, when so many of them are the first to support cutbacks in social services. There is an ocean of need out there for people who are not coping well in the system, and we do not have a highly effective and inexpensive way to pick the potential mass murderers out from the mass of other maladjusted souls. It takes people and funding, and too many politicians are labeling social support programs as more tax-and-spend that will run us into the ground. And they can sell that effectively, because it appeals to many people who are quick to conclude that others are taking their lunch money through social programs.
Go at mental health the way the Reagan administration went after drug users. Be serious about it. Budget funds for it. Run ad campaigns about it. But helping those with mental illness is essentially an act of generosity and caring for others who are not adequately helping themselves, not an act born of fear and condemnation, and it is harder to sell for that reason.
There is no denying that mental health issues play a significant role in many of these acts of public violence. But it is annoying to hear many politicians who have no time for better gun regulation, stating that instead we should address mental health issues, when so many of them are the first to support cutbacks in social services. There is an ocean of need out there for people who are not coping well in the system, and we do not have a highly effective and inexpensive way to pick the potential mass murderers out from the mass of other maladjusted souls. It takes people and funding, and too many politicians are labeling social support programs as more tax-and-spend that will run us into the ground. And they can sell that effectively, because it appeals to many people who are quick to conclude that others are taking their lunch money through social programs.
Go at mental health the way the Reagan administration went after drug users. Be serious about it. Budget funds for it. Run ad campaigns about it. But helping those with mental illness is essentially an act of generosity and caring for others who are not adequately helping themselves, not an act born of fear and condemnation, and it is harder to sell for that reason.
FlagDUDE08
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They say now it was a Muslim. This will change in a couple days because it's racist. Infowars was saying that someone didn't speak up about it because the person would have been labelled as a racist for doing so. Whether or not that's true, the fact that's even taken into consideration shows what's REALLY wrong, and what will happen when the Syrians invade.
They say now it was a Muslim. This will change in a couple days because it's racist. Infowars was saying that someone didn't speak up about it because the person would have been labelled as a racist for doing so. Whether or not that's true, the fact that's even taken into consideration shows what's REALLY wrong, and what will happen when the Syrians invade.
FlagDUDE08
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Oh, and it looks like nearby, just like the Boston false flag to test martial law, there was an active shooter drill nearby. http://beforeitsnews.com/alternativ...-flag-with-active-shooter-drills-3251872.html
Expect mass gun control legislation above and beyond what's in the west within the next few weeks.
Oh, and it looks like nearby, just like the Boston false flag to test martial law, there was an active shooter drill nearby. http://beforeitsnews.com/alternativ...-flag-with-active-shooter-drills-3251872.html
Expect mass gun control legislation above and beyond what's in the west within the next few weeks.
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sure it is you dumb ****
the last thing we need in this country is more ****ing guns. I don't want the solution to be a "shootout at the O.K. corral". How about we stop this **** before it turns into an active shooter situation. The second amendment is a poorly written piece of ****.
sure it is you dumb ****
the last thing we need in this country is more ****ing guns. I don't want the solution to be a "shootout at the O.K. corral". How about we stop this **** before it turns into an active shooter situation. The second amendment is a poorly written piece of ****.
FlagDUDE08
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So you want everyone to be defenceless when a shooter comes around? This is exactly what caused this!
So you want everyone to be defenceless when a shooter comes around? This is exactly what caused this!
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no, what caused this is our insane gun culture and inability to do anything about gun violence
no, what caused this is our insane gun culture and inability to do anything about gun violence
unofan
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Yep. You're still an idiot. These were legally purchased guns.
Yep. You're still an idiot. These were legally purchased guns.
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Typical of our times, I suppose, flipping back and forth between CNN and Fox:
CNN: "just because the shooters have Arab names, we cannot just jump to the conclusion that this is an ISIS-related attack (although authorities have not yet ruled it out)"
Fox: "while authorities have not yet confirmed it is an ISIS-related attack, if you examine other possible motivations, none of them fit the pattern we saw today."
Typical of our times, I suppose, flipping back and forth between CNN and Fox:
CNN: "just because the shooters have Arab names, we cannot just jump to the conclusion that this is an ISIS-related attack (although authorities have not yet ruled it out)"
Fox: "while authorities have not yet confirmed it is an ISIS-related attack, if you examine other possible motivations, none of them fit the pattern we saw today."
Kepler
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As was said below, the first step is actually closing loopholes and enforcing existing laws. While stricter gun control across the board would in theory be better since it would start to drain the gun swamp, in practice it would just push gun ownership into the criminal sector where drugs exist now, and as we've all seen that leads nowhere good.
There's no reason to impede legal gun ownership for hunting and personal protection. At the same time, there's no reason why military grade assault rifles are legal for the gen pop. We'll get there eventually -- the population becomes more urban every day and that will eventually lead to a compromise. But in the meantime the NRA still has Congress by the throat and every inch of the way towards rationality will be barred by the kind of hysterical fear-mongering and paranoia you see in Flag's posts.
As was said below, the first step is actually closing loopholes and enforcing existing laws. While stricter gun control across the board would in theory be better since it would start to drain the gun swamp, in practice it would just push gun ownership into the criminal sector where drugs exist now, and as we've all seen that leads nowhere good.
There's no reason to impede legal gun ownership for hunting and personal protection. At the same time, there's no reason why military grade assault rifles are legal for the gen pop. We'll get there eventually -- the population becomes more urban every day and that will eventually lead to a compromise. But in the meantime the NRA still has Congress by the throat and every inch of the way towards rationality will be barred by the kind of hysterical fear-mongering and paranoia you see in Flag's posts.
JF_Gophers
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The "if everyone had guns this wouldn't happen" line of thought is totally inaccurate. Let's think about how that plays out
Someone planning an attack knows a high % of people will have guns and plans accordingly.
If everyone in an office building had a personal firearm on them it would not alter the outcome of 2 people with assault weapons and protective gear coming in to do harm.
People are segregated into smaller groups and different areas of the building. So the attackers will only be dealing with maybe 20 people at any one time? Of those how many will be willing and able in a pressure moment to use their firearm?
Unless someone sees the weapons prior to the first shot and acts, there will be harm done.
Even if someone or several people do shoot back there is no guarantee they hit the target. If they miss or hit protective gear, they are now target #1.
An assault weapon shoots a lot more bullets, and faster than your handgun. So they can spray bullets without much aiming.
Once they kill someone they now have access to more weapons should they want or need them.
Very few attackers expect to survive and seem to try for death by cop.
More guns just aren't a deterrent.
The "if everyone had guns this wouldn't happen" line of thought is totally inaccurate. Let's think about how that plays out
Someone planning an attack knows a high % of people will have guns and plans accordingly.
If everyone in an office building had a personal firearm on them it would not alter the outcome of 2 people with assault weapons and protective gear coming in to do harm.
People are segregated into smaller groups and different areas of the building. So the attackers will only be dealing with maybe 20 people at any one time? Of those how many will be willing and able in a pressure moment to use their firearm?
Unless someone sees the weapons prior to the first shot and acts, there will be harm done.
Even if someone or several people do shoot back there is no guarantee they hit the target. If they miss or hit protective gear, they are now target #1.
An assault weapon shoots a lot more bullets, and faster than your handgun. So they can spray bullets without much aiming.
Once they kill someone they now have access to more weapons should they want or need them.
Very few attackers expect to survive and seem to try for death by cop.
More guns just aren't a deterrent.
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