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D3 Polls - 2017-18

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BetterInLakePlacid said:
The KRACH doesnt mean anything either.
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Certainly more than the polls...

Kindly direct me to a better objective metric, and I'll be all-in on that.

We're dealing with enough smoke and mirrors in Washington, rigged systems, bald-faced lies, and just simple BS; let's make D-3 hockey a bastion of factual information, FCS, and lead our nation ahead towards the millennium!

:p
 
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Fishman'81 said:
Certainly more than the polls...

Kindly direct me to a better objective metric, and I'll be all-in on that.

We're dealing with enough smoke and mirrors in Washington, rigged systems, bald-faced lies, and just simple BS; let's make D-3 hockey a bastion of factual information, FCS, and lead our nation ahead towards the millennium!

:p
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This site is popular in youth hockey. USA hockey uses it to seed Youth Nationals and many tournaments use it for seeding and placement to get even matchups. They explain the methodology in the FAQs. Simple math. No bias, no opinions.
http://myhockeyrankings.com/rank.php?y=2017&a=6&v=902
Basically uses strength of schedule and goal differential.
The rating number is used to predict expected goal differential. A 96 rating should beat a 95 rating by one goal on average. Anything can happen in one game but if a large number of games were played on average that is the expected mathmatical result. As more cross over games (out of conference) are played the rankings become more accurate.
 
Fishman'81 said:
OK, and to your putative point, what's the reason to publish these polls in any case..? There's no "there" there.

A half-way decent statistical analysis -even the RPI- carries far more logical credence than a throw-away beauty contest, don't ya think?

But, if they "fixed " it, I'd honestly like to hear your take on that. There always seems to be a man be hind the curtain to ignore in D-3. If they agreed on any sort of objective measure, there goes the controversy.
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I only like the polls when Utica isnt involved.
 
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Fishman'81 said:
OK, and to your putative point, what's the reason to publish these polls in any case..? There's no "there" there.
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Entertainment. Simple as that.

And it also gets these organizations which run the polls free advertising, as they are mentioned numerous times by other outlets.

But, if they "fixed " it, I'd honestly like to hear your take on that. There always seems to be a man be hind the curtain to ignore in D-3. If they agreed on any sort of objective measure, there goes the controversy.
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Seriously? Are you that dense? Someone realized that 13 votes for Trine were really meant for Trinity (and they may have asked the voter to verify that). So, the 13 votes were switched to Trinity. That's all. Sheesh...
 
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Russell Jaslow said:
Entertainment. Simple as that.

And it also gets these organizations which run the polls free advertising, as they are mentioned numerous times by other outlets.



Seriously? Are you that dense? Someone realized that 13 votes for Trine were really meant for Trinity (and they may have asked the voter to verify that). So, the 13 votes were switched to Trinity. That's all. Sheesh...
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Now why in the world do you think that your reference was obvious? I never mentioned any such thing.

Talk about "dense".
 
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Fishman'81 said:
Now why in the world do you think that your reference was obvious? I never mentioned any such thing.

Talk about "dense".
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I have a head cold right now. So, I definitely feel dense... :eek:

You were implying some man behind the curtain when it was a simple logical look at what happened to the voting between Trine and Trinity.
 
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Fishman'81 said:
Certainly more than the polls...

Kindly direct me to a better objective metric, and I'll be all-in on that.

We're dealing with enough smoke and mirrors in Washington, rigged systems, bald-faced lies, and just simple BS; let's make D-3 hockey a bastion of factual information, FCS, and lead our nation ahead towards the millennium!

:p
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This site is strictly math based. Very popular in youth hockey. USA Hockey and most other organizations use it to seed their tournaments. Basically strength of schedule and goal differential determine the rankings.
1 ranking point difference equals one goal difference in a head to head matchup. Obviously anything can happen in a single game but this provides an expected average outcome in a series of games.
http://myhockeyrankings.com/rank.php?y=2017&a=6&v=902
 
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New #1 in the USCHO poll. Interesting how they have a worse record than the #2 team, and are also 0-1 head to head against #2 (and 0-2 head to head against #3 for that matter).

But Adam Krug is #1 so it all makes sense.
 
Tom Coughlin said:
New #1 in the USCHO poll. Interesting how they have a worse record than the #2 team, and are also 0-1 head to head against #2 (and 0-2 head to head against #3 for that matter).

But Adam Krug is #1 so it all makes sense.
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Herb Brooks said it best.
Im sick and tired of hearing about how good St. Norbert is. Their time is done.

The USCHO doesnt know their head from their *** though when it comes to d3, so don't put too much stock into their poll.
 
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So how does Nichols split with Endicott over the weekend, dropping Endicott from #2 to #4, and yet reveive no votes this week after getting four votes last week? Not a big deal overall but shows the inconsistency of the voters.
 
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Adam_Krug#1 said:
Herb Brooks said it best.
Im sick and tired of hearing about how good St. Norbert is. Their time is done.

The USCHO doesnt know their head from their *** though when it comes to d3, so don't put too much stock into their poll.
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Lots of coaches have USCHO accounts now...alive and dead, hockey and football.....interesting......YO SNC and Point.... you got jacked!
 
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OZFEST said:
Lots of coaches have USCHO accounts now...alive and dead, hockey and football.....interesting......YO SNC and Point.... you got jacked!
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SNC is still #1 in the D3Hockey poll. Looking forward to the #1 vs #1 matchup on Friday.
 
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Tom Coughlin said:
SNC is still #1 in the D3Hockey poll. Looking forward to the #1 vs #1 matchup on Friday.
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We may never see a #1 vs #1 split poll game again.
1. Both teams need to split in the polls
2. Both teams only have a 25 game schedule
3. The schedule needs to line up perfectly when both teams are ranked #1

I don't know what is a more rare situation, this #1 vs #1 game, or a first year expansion team in the NHL leading the league in points.
 
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d3hockey57 said:
We may never see a #1 vs #1 split poll game again.
1. Both teams need to split in the polls
2. Both teams only have a 25 game schedule
3. The schedule needs to line up perfectly when both teams are ranked #1

I don't know what is a more rare situation, this #1 vs #1 game, or a first year expansion team in the NHL leading the league in points.
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They played each other a couple of years ago in a similar situation, except I think they were both #1 in the same poll (first place votes split 10/10).

Edit: SNC was #1 and Adrian was #2 and they split the weekend series. The following poll had them joint #1.
 
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Tom Coughlin said:
They played each other a couple of years ago in a similar situation, except I think they were both #1 in the same poll (first place votes split 10/10).

Edit: SNC was #1 and Adrian was #2 and they split the weekend series. The following poll had them joint #1.
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Fun fact from SNC SID, Dan Lukes: Friday's game marks the seventh time in the last four years that SNC and Adrian have met in a #1 vs #2 game as determined by the USCHO poll.....
 
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