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So basically the Berlin Wall would have been the Maginot Line...or the new Atlantic Wall. NATO would be England and North/Central America against a Russia that stretched from Calais to Hong Kong...Ouch.
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D-Day
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So basically the Berlin Wall would have been the Maginot Line...or the new Atlantic Wall. NATO would be England and North/Central America against a Russia that stretched from Calais to Hong Kong...Ouch.
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If all of Germany, France, Italy, and the rest of continental Europe fell to the Russians, the Cold War would have been quite different. It's hard to know if the U.K. and Scandinavian countries would have been able to hold out against Communist influences if the rest of Europe was under Soviet control.
That's certainly one way it could have played out, though of course it's all speculation, but very interesting to speculate about. There are folks that say Hitler could have reached a stalemate on the eastern front with the troops he could have shifted from the west after a failed D-Day, but the Russian army had become such a juggernaut and Stalin wasn't very worried about casualties, so I think Hitler could have bought some time on the eastern front with the additional troops, but I don't see it changing things. By August 1944, Rumania had surrendered to Russia, the first of the Balkan dominoes to fall in quick succession. And of course the western allies were also gradually pushing up Italy.
If all of Germany, France, Italy, and the rest of continental Europe fell to the Russians, the Cold War would have been quite different. It's hard to know if the U.K. and Scandinavian countries would have been able to hold out against Communist influences if the rest of Europe was under Soviet control.
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
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I had an uncle who was in the Army in WWII and was a Sherman tank crewman during the Okinawa campaign and survived the war. He dies when I was a young lad, so I never really knew anything more than that. My Dad said like most vets he never really talked about it when he got home.
I had an uncle who was in the Army in WWII and was a Sherman tank crewman during the Okinawa campaign and survived the war. He dies when I was a young lad, so I never really knew anything more than that. My Dad said like most vets he never really talked about it when he got home.
MountieBoyOz
Eater of Worlds
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This is probably for a different thread. (I could make one on old wars if you want.) However, I always wondered why Hitler never told Franco he had to fight for the Axis. Mussolini and Hitler did provide him with the help he needed for the Spanish Civil War. That always seemed to make me think.
This is probably for a different thread. (I could make one on old wars if you want.) However, I always wondered why Hitler never told Franco he had to fight for the Axis. Mussolini and Hitler did provide him with the help he needed for the Spanish Civil War. That always seemed to make me think.
bronconick
Yep, still here
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Franco told him to get him Gibralter and he'd throw in. Not worth it.
Franco told him to get him Gibralter and he'd throw in. Not worth it.
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Iowa, Missouri, New Jersey, Wisconsin. The finest, most capable battlewagons ever built. Extensively renovated during the Reagan administration. Secondary weapons and old style anti-air craft guns removed. Replaced by cruise missile launchers, Harpoon anti-ship missiles and Vulcan Phalanx computer guided defensive weapons. We lost the Stark due to a hit by an Exocet missile. An Exocet would be barely noticeable hitting the 16 inch armor belt of one of the Iowas. These ships were built with six times the electrical generating capacity than they needed. It was assumed they were going to take hits and that the captain had to keep "fighting his ship." If need be, from an armored citadel deep below the water line. Nothing built today comes close to their survivability.
The Japanese surrendered on the Missouri. The New Jersey did some off shore shelling in Korea and Vietnam and Lebanon. In Korea, future CNO Elmo Zumwalt was taking some shelling from behind a mountain. So he had the big guns on the New Jersey just chop that mountain down, exposing the artillery battery hiding behind it. Oops. And the first shots of the first Gulf War were cruise missiles fired from the Missouri. Between them, the Missouri and the Wisconsin fired over 1,000 rounds of high explosives on Hussein's troops dug in at Kuwait City. You think those poor b*stards thought a kiloton's worth of shelling was just a feint?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTetKxtmI9c
(To give you an idea of scale, those barrels on the big guns are 60 feet long!)
In Red Storm Rising Tom Clancy had the Russians conquer Keflavik in Iceland. When it came time to take it back, he had the New Jersey show up offshore and fire a full broad side. The Russian commander turns to his subordinate and says: "Mother of God." Because he knows those first nine 2700 pound armor piercing shells are going to be followed by nine more, and nine more and nine more 'till there aren't any fcuking Russians left!
The terrible accident on the Iowa and the ridiculous effort by the Navy to blame it on a gay sailor, plus the high labor costs of maintaining these ships doomed them. If Old Pio ruled the world, we'd retain one of those bad boys on active duty. If only to carry POTUS to various international functions and show the flag where needed. When one of those guys comes crawling over the horizon, there's no doubt in anybody's mind what his business is.
Iowa, Missouri, New Jersey, Wisconsin. The finest, most capable battlewagons ever built. Extensively renovated during the Reagan administration. Secondary weapons and old style anti-air craft guns removed. Replaced by cruise missile launchers, Harpoon anti-ship missiles and Vulcan Phalanx computer guided defensive weapons. We lost the Stark due to a hit by an Exocet missile. An Exocet would be barely noticeable hitting the 16 inch armor belt of one of the Iowas. These ships were built with six times the electrical generating capacity than they needed. It was assumed they were going to take hits and that the captain had to keep "fighting his ship." If need be, from an armored citadel deep below the water line. Nothing built today comes close to their survivability.
The Japanese surrendered on the Missouri. The New Jersey did some off shore shelling in Korea and Vietnam and Lebanon. In Korea, future CNO Elmo Zumwalt was taking some shelling from behind a mountain. So he had the big guns on the New Jersey just chop that mountain down, exposing the artillery battery hiding behind it. Oops. And the first shots of the first Gulf War were cruise missiles fired from the Missouri. Between them, the Missouri and the Wisconsin fired over 1,000 rounds of high explosives on Hussein's troops dug in at Kuwait City. You think those poor b*stards thought a kiloton's worth of shelling was just a feint?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTetKxtmI9c
(To give you an idea of scale, those barrels on the big guns are 60 feet long!)
In Red Storm Rising Tom Clancy had the Russians conquer Keflavik in Iceland. When it came time to take it back, he had the New Jersey show up offshore and fire a full broad side. The Russian commander turns to his subordinate and says: "Mother of God." Because he knows those first nine 2700 pound armor piercing shells are going to be followed by nine more, and nine more and nine more 'till there aren't any fcuking Russians left!
The terrible accident on the Iowa and the ridiculous effort by the Navy to blame it on a gay sailor, plus the high labor costs of maintaining these ships doomed them. If Old Pio ruled the world, we'd retain one of those bad boys on active duty. If only to carry POTUS to various international functions and show the flag where needed. When one of those guys comes crawling over the horizon, there's no doubt in anybody's mind what his business is.
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The Brits - http://youtu.be/6zpv4TuUlWI
Yea, I know it's not Remembrance (Armistice / Veterans) Day, but this always brings a tear..http://youtu.be/AlkpqjopFKQ
The Brits - http://youtu.be/6zpv4TuUlWI
Yea, I know it's not Remembrance (Armistice / Veterans) Day, but this always brings a tear..http://youtu.be/AlkpqjopFKQ
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Lovely. Think about Londoners, having survived the Blitz, with victory in sight having to cope with thousands of V1's and V2s. No chance to change the outcome. Just terror for its own sake.
Lovely. Think about Londoners, having survived the Blitz, with victory in sight having to cope with thousands of V1's and V2s. No chance to change the outcome. Just terror for its own sake.