Crack in the Major Junior A front??

[Ralph Baer]

Re: Crack in the Major Junior A front??

Again--be fair here.

Playing on a team (that "owns your rights" in a league) for a full season is a little different than playing on an all-star national team for 2 or 3 weeks.

You don't have to play a full season of major junior to be declared off limits by the NCAA. One game will do it.

 

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

Re: Crack in the Major Junior A front??

You don't have to play a full season of major junior to be declared off limits by the NCAA. One game will do it.

Colby Genoway dressed for one period of one game (didn't play) and he had to sit out a year at UND...

 

[jnacc]

Re: Crack in the Major Junior A front??

You don't have to play a full season of major junior to be declared off limits by the NCAA. One game will do it.

Yup, suiting up for even an exhibition game will cause you to be "dead" to the NCAA.


I think the NCAA has boxed itself in and realized that they can no longer hold this ridiculous policy.

 

[NCAA watcher]

Re: Crack in the Major Junior A front??

I only found one player from Tech that played in the 1978-79 season that played on a Major Junior team the next season.

Tech had Tim Watters , Glen Merkowsky, playing major junior, Bill Terry, Jim Bissett, Ward Sparrow, Rick Boehm, Brent DeNat

 

[du78]

Re: Crack in the Major Junior A front??

This also helps pave the way for allowing Canadian colleges get into the NCAA to play hockey as their rosters are filled with ex-major junior players. Those schools will not have to revamp their rosters to exclude MJ players.

 

[Flashy Man]

Re: Crack in the Major Junior A front??

Tech had Tim Watters , Glen Merkowsky, playing major junior, Bill Terry, Jim Bissett, Ward Sparrow, Rick Boehm, Brent DeNat

4 of the last 5 used up their eligibility and Tim Watters didn't go to MJ in the year you specified. Glen was the player I was talking about.

 

[Alton]

Re: Crack in the Major Junior A front??

You don't have to play a full season of major junior to be declared off limits by the NCAA. One game will do it.

True--you just have to sign a contract with a team giving them exclusive rights to you in the CHL for the full season. Of course, you could be traded or released by your team, but that is still not an analogous situation to the Olympic/national team that plays together for a small part of the season and returns you back to your team.

Don't get me wrong; I'm not defending the rules as they were, although it would change college hockey a great deal to change them back, and people need to stop and think about the implications of the change.

 

[jnacc]

Re: Crack in the Major Junior A front??

Don't get me wrong; I'm not defending the rules as they were, although it would change college hockey a great deal to change them back, and people need to stop and think about the implications of the change.

The benefits of the change would be a vastly increased pool of talent for all schools, large and small, to feast on. The downside would be that a dozen or so top NHL prospects who would have played in the NCAA would now bypass it in favor of the pro ranks. Only a handful of the top programs would be affected by this, however.

So a large increase in talented players vs a loss of a few top notch NHL caliber prospects. Do the math and you can see why that a lot of college coaches are now clamoring for change as well.

 

[Alton]

Re: Crack in the Major Junior A front??

It turns out that what coaches are "clamoring for" is the opposite of change:

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect...ERES&CACHEID=1baba8004fc77bdf8225d6be749a3a0e

"The cabinet agreed to exclude the sport of men's ice hockey from this proposal. As is set forth more fully in informational item 1-(a) below, the cabinet, after reviewing feedback from USA Hockey, the American Hockey Coaches Association and the Hockey Commissioner's Association, agreed that the legislative changes included in the proposal would be detrimental to men's ice hockey prospective student-athletes, to Division I institutions that sponsor men's ice hockey and to the performance of United States national teams."

So this proposal no longer applies to hockey, and clearly we will not see Major Junior Eligibility any time soon.

 

[Happy]

Re: Crack in the Major Junior A front??

The benefits of the change would be a vastly increased pool of talent for all schools, large and small, to feast on. The downside would be that a dozen or so top NHL prospects who would have played in the NCAA would now bypass it in favor of the pro ranks. Only a handful of the top programs would be affected by this, however.

So a large increase in talented players vs a loss of a few top notch NHL caliber prospects. Do the math and you can see why that a lot of college coaches are now clamoring for change as well.

Why do we want to give Canadians free education? They can earn it in MJ.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Crack in the Major Junior A front??

Why do we want to give Canadians free education? They can earn it in MJ.

It aint much -- lousy stipend for the local community college, and if you were to skip a road trip for an exam you'd be off the team (and out of scholarship luck) in a second.

I like the CHL, but its "educational resources" are an SEC-level fig leaf. Even the worst offender D1 factory school (fill in your favorite, here) takes education more seriously.

 

[FreddyFoyle]

Re: Crack in the Major Junior A front??

It aint much -- lousy stipend for the local community college, and if you were to skip a road trip for an exam you'd be off the team (and out of scholarship luck) in a second.

I like the CHL, but its "educational resources" are an SEC-level fig leaf. Even the worst offender D1 factory school (fill in your favorite, here) takes education more seriously.

Sorry, you sound a bit misinformed on the current situation. For the last while in the WHL and now in the OHL, players earn one year of tuition to the Canadian university or college of their choice for each year of junior. Play four years for the Windsor Spitfires or the Moose Jaw Warriors and get four years of free tuition. In the the third CHL conference, the QMJHL, it is now $4000 a year guaranteed, which is not too bad a deal as that will pay the tuition for a Quebec resident to go to a university in the province, and will cover most of the tuition as most Canadian universities (the average is between $5000 and $6000)

Above and beyond this, individual CHL teams are free to add their own education packages to entice recruits from midget to play for them and not go the NCAA route. Thanks to this I can tell you that there are some CHL graduates now playing for CIS teams with $15,000 a year education packages -- essentially a full-ride in Canada.

The CHL has learned that it is in their best interest to partner is this way with the CIS. The 'out clause' is that if a junior player turns pro, after one year he loses the whole education package.

 

[BU-Grad]

Re: Crack in the Major Junior A front??

Actually, Decloe was the 1972 precurser. The final straw for Abbott was 1973's Peter Buckton and Peter Marzo and his "activities directed toward evasion of NCAA and ECAC eligibility rules relative to foreign hockey players."

http://select.nytimes.com/mem/archive/pdf?res=F20911FA345F107A93C2AA1789D95F478785F9

looks like you have to pay for access to this story. can you print the relevant excerpt or just summarize? I'm interested in BU hockey history but I don't know anything about Buckton and Marzo

 

[jnacc]

Re: Crack in the Major Junior A front??

The CHL has learned that it is in their best interest to partner is this way with the CIS. The 'out clause' is that if a junior player turns pro, after one year he loses the whole education package.

The "out-clause" only pertains to a two way AHL/NHL contracts.

Players in the OHL are allowed to sign and play in the ECHL (and other lower level leagues) for up to 18 months before losing their education package. They are also allowed to sign ATO in the AHL.

Very disappointing to learn that hockey will be "exempt" from this new initiative.

I am sure some WCHA and E.C.A.C. programs balked and killed this proposal.