COVID-19 The 7th Part: We're Gonna Be Number One Soon!

[alfablue]

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However, there are businesses (mainly small ones) that CAN operate safely. So why are they not able to conduct said business?

CAN they really? Can they really limit person to person exposure? And even if they could make their "stuff" could it be sold and used safely?

If you were a one person company that supplied things to a larger company, that would be rather pointless.

The only ones who I could really see is safe are single person businesses who can send things out- where the pick up is clean and remote.

 

[The Rube]

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CAN they really? Can they really limit person to person exposure? And even if they could make their "stuff" could it be sold and used safely?

If you were a one person company that supplied things to a larger company, that would be rather pointless.

The only ones who I could really see is safe are single person businesses who can send things out- where the pick up is clean and remote.

Exactly. The local breweries and restaurants I have bought from are zero contact right now. You order online, pull up, they put the product in your trunk, that's it. If other businesses can do that, let them operate as such.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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Exactly. The local breweries and restaurants I have bought from are zero contact right now. You order online, pull up, they put the product in your trunk, that's it. If other businesses can do that, let them operate as such.

The restaurants around here all require at least some form of contact. Either providing your credit card so they can run it, and/or signing the receipt. Of course, these are small "mom and pop" type restaurants in rural Colorado. I'm curious how they get around you signing the receipt though.

 

[The Rube]

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The restaurants around here all require at least some form of contact. Either providing your credit card so they can run it, and/or signing the receipt. Of course, these are small "mom and pop" type restaurants in rural Colorado. I'm curious how they get around you signing the receipt though.

I pay online. No signing of receipt. At the breweries, you show them your ID, but it is six feet separation (and obviously less than 15 minutes).

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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I pay online. No signing of receipt. At the breweries, you show them your ID, but it is six feet separation (and obviously less than 15 minutes).

Interesting. They must have pretty good eyesight to check an ID from 6 feet away. I wonder if the banks/credit card companies have okayed not requiring a signature. I believe they would be the ones on the hook if someone disputed a charge later on. Do they have a limit on the amount of your order?

 

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

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Interesting. They must have pretty good eyesight to check an ID from 6 feet away. I wonder if the banks/credit card companies have okayed not requiring a signature. I believe they would be the ones on the hook if someone disputed a charge later on. Do they have a limit on the amount of your order?

The way he has described it elsewhere, you never get out of your car, so I would assume you can put it up against the window and they can view from there.

In my anecdotal experience it was 50/50 whether or not you needed to sign after paying online even before this. YMMV.

 

[The Rube]

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Interesting. They must have pretty good eyesight to check an ID from 6 feet away. I wonder if the banks/credit card companies have okayed not requiring a signature. I believe they would be the ones on the hook if someone disputed a charge later on. Do they have a limit on the amount of your order?

It's just like ordering from Amazon, etc. You don't sign for that.

As for ID, it's basically a formality. The breweries I go to know a vast majority of their customers by name. Those are the customers that are going there now. However, they ask you to extend the ID, they take it, look at it, and then hand it back. It's about 6 feet.

Edit: what MNS said also. You never get out of your car.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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It's just like ordering from Amazon, etc. You don't sign for that.

As for ID, it's basically a formality. The breweries I go to know a vast majority of their customers by name. Those are the customers that are going there now. However, they ask you to extend the ID, they take it, look at it, and then hand it back. It's about 6 feet.

Edit: what MNS said also. You never get out of your car.

Interesting. Do you have an account with the merchants that you log into like Amazon? That would make sense for them not requiring a signature.

Obviously, if they are taking/handling the ID, then it really isn't contactless. Do they wear gloves?

 

[The Rube]

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Interesting. Do you have an account with the merchants that you log into like Amazon? That would make sense for them not requiring a signature.

Obviously, if they are taking/handling the ID, then it really isn't contactless. Do they wear gloves?

Temp account, at the least. Lots of places are restructuring their websites for online orders, due to the pandemic. Gloves and masks, yes.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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Temp account, at the least. Lots of places are restructuring their websites for online orders, due to the pandemic. Gloves and masks, yes.

That makes sense then. We apparently aren't as technologically advanced here.

 

[jerphisch]

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What business are you saying should open in a similar manner to that that aren't Rube? You were saying they should open dining rooms for dine-in at a limited capacity, which is NOT what you are now describing.

 

[rufus]

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Exactly. The local breweries and restaurants I have bought from are zero contact right now. You order online, pull up, they put the product in your trunk, that's it. If other businesses can do that, let them operate as such.

What about the people that prepare the food, pack up your order, work in the brewery? How do they avoid catching the virus. if they do catch the virus, how do they avoid passing it on to you? To their coworkers or someone else?

God, you're simple.

 

[The Rube]

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What business are you saying should open in a similar manner to that that aren't Rube? You were saying they should open dining rooms for dine-in at a limited capacity, which is NOT what you are now describing.

I don't know. That's what people are looking at now. People smarter than you and me. It's a case-by-case basis, obviously. One weird thing in the MN shutdown, is that craft stores can be open, but ONLY to provide material for home-made masks. Why only that? Why can't they sell other materials? (note: even in the mask situation, it's a curbside deal).

 

[The Rube]

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What about the people that prepare the food, pack up your order, work in the brewery? How do they avoid catching the virus. if they do catch the virus, how do they avoid passing it on to you? To their coworkers or someone else?

God, you're simple.

It's called sanitation and PPE you dipsht.

 

[ericredaxe]

The restaurants around here all require at least some form of contact. Either providing your credit card so they can run it, and/or signing the receipt. Of course, these are small "mom and pop" type restaurants in rural Colorado. I'm curious how they get around you signing the receipt though.

In our home town, all of the mom and pop places have gotten themselves set up to order online or over the phone and you give them your card over the phone. Zero contact.

When delivered they leave it on your doorstop and the driver texts you to let you know it has arrived, or for pickup it is as Rube described... pull up, pop your trunk and they put it in.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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It's called sanitation and PPE you dipsht.

While arguing with rufus is like arguing with my dog, you still have to recognize that there is a substantial risk of spreading the virus when asking people who are not familiar with using/wearing/operating with PPE to wear PPE and follow/understand what can be done/not done.

 

[The Rube]

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In our home town, all of the mom and pop places have gotten themselves set up to order online or over the phone and you give them your card over the phone. Zero contact.

When delivered they leave it on your doorstop and the driver texts you to let you know it has arrived, or for pickup it is as Rube described... pull up, pop your trunk and they put it in.

Yup. Even places like Domino's/national chains do that. They knock on your door, you acknowledge their arrival, and they leave it at your doorstep.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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In our home town, all of the mom and pop places have gotten themselves set up to order online or over the phone and you give them your card over the phone. Zero contact.

When delivered they leave it on your doorstop and the driver texts you to let you know it has arrived, or for pickup it is as Rube described... pull up, pop your trunk and they put it in.

While some places here are almost there, they still have the signature/receipt issue. If the mom and pop places are simply taking your card over the phone and not doing any sort of confirmation of identity (through signature, account log in, etc.), they are opening up themselves to some pretty big issues (including taking it in the shorts from their bank/credit card provider when there is a fraud charge).

 

[The Rube]

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While arguing with rufus is like arguing with my dog, you still have to recognize that there is a substantial risk of spreading the virus when asking people who are not familiar with using/wearing/operating with PPE to wear PPE and follow/understand what can be done/not done.

He is indeed the chess-playing pigeon. And believe me, companies are being trained about PPE and such. My company just had a checkup on Fri, to make sure we have sanitizing wipes, masks, etc in place. As for gas stations and such, all that I've been to have the gloves, masks, and plexiglass cough guards in place.

 

[BassAle]

Exactly. The local breweries and restaurants I have bought from are zero contact right now. You order online, pull up, they put the product in your trunk, that's it. If other businesses can do that, let them operate as such.

Speaking of breweries — I know several microbrews around me are still running. Some are brewing cheep beer that is getting delivered to distilleries to get processed into 190 proof alcohol, which is then turned into hand sanitizer for local hospitals by the UMaine chemical engineering department. They’re also selling beer for contactless pickup or delivery.

For the hand sanitizer to scale up initially a bunch of breweries donated beer they brewed for St Patrick’s day. It went to a bunch of craft distilleries to get distilled down and then on to one of the few distilleries in Portland that can distill it further to 190 proof. Now some of the breweries are brewing cheap beer just for hand sanitizer (the distilleries can’t ferment enough on their own to keep up).

“Manufacturing” is deemed essential so they have no problem staying open.