COVID-19 - Part 2

[Dutchman]

Re: COVID-19 - Part 2

"Here's Austin restaurant El Arroyo, still smarting economically from the outbreak-induced postponement of the South by Southwest music festival, turning its outdoor message board into a mock dating app: "Single man w/Toilet Paper seeks single woman w/hand sanitizer for good clean fun."

 

[LTsatch]

Re: COVID-19 - Part 2

33 year old Passaic New Jersey Firefighter dies in the line of duty from Covid-19 exposure.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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With a vaccine most likely 12 months away, I think the prospect of having any sports scheduled to begin this fall (i.e. NHL, NFL, NCAA sports, etc.) is too optimistic.

There are many RCTs currently underway looking at potential medical therapies to reduce the symptoms of the virus. I know Dr. Dave Boulware at my university (University of Minnesota) is currently two weeks into an RCT (500+ CoV-19 participants so far) on the therapeutic effects of hydroxlychloroquine and said he and his team may be able fast track the study and run the data in about 4 weeks. But even if there are positive results, it remains to be seen if it's indeed a panacea for all CoV-19 patients. But considering individuals who may be asymptomatic, it doesn't appear there's a silver lining for fall sports. We'll have to wait and see.

But we may be looking at a worst case scenario here for sports set to begin in 4-6 months. There's been a lot of crazy discussions and scenarios mentioned on sequestering teams without spectators at remote locations such as renovated cruise ships to virus free zones which will probably be non-existent in 4-6 months.

I'm leaning more towards the NCAA cancelling all sports this fall. That would apply to the NFL, NHL, and others as well.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...e-shocked-if-nfl-college-football-play-season

You're still pimping HCQ? Even after the doctor was exposed as a complete fraud and the studies have been torn apart by the academic community? Even after studies that were larger and designed better have shown zero evidence it helps? Still?

LOL

 

[C-H-C]

Re: COVID-19 - Part 2

Since 2010, there have been between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually due to influenza (Source: CDC).
Between 100,000 and 240,000 Americans could face death due to Covid-19 in the coming weeks (Source: Coronavirus Task Force).

 

[SteveO]

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You're still pimping HCQ? Even after the doctor was exposed as a complete fraud and the studies have been torn apart by the academic community? Even after studies that were larger and designed better have shown zero evidence it helps? Still?

LOL

My post regarding an RCT that is currently being conducted under the leadership of a colleague, Dr. Dave Boulware, is "pimping" HCQ? I don't have any axe to grind here, but apparently you do.

If you want to falsely accuse US healthcare professionals as well as those around the globe (India, Germany, France, etc.) who are currently administering HCQ/AZ to CoV-19 patients with measured success of "pimping" that's entirely up to you. Go ahead and embarrass yourself.

It's noteworthy that Kansas City area physicians. as well as others in several states are continuing to treat CoV-19 patients with HCQ/AZ and are showing marked improvement in the reduction of the viral load. Major medical centers including the University of Washington and Mass General have added HCQ to treatment options. Other state pharmacy boards including Texas, Louisiana, Ohio and North Carolina have approved its use under physician care by prescription only which prevents individuals from misusing the drug by self-medicating.

Yesterday the FDA and The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) approved HCQ products to be distributed and prescribed by doctors through the Strategic National Stockpile to hospitalized teen and adult patients with CoV-19 as appropriate.

HHS said Germany’s Sandoz has already given 30 million doses of HCQ to the Strategic National Stockpile, and Bayer has donated a million doses. Pfizer has announced positive data for the use HCQ/AZ in an RCT recently completed in Marseille, France (see below).

I'd like to see the evidence to confirm your accusation that Dr. Didier Raoult MD. PhD. is a "fraud". Arguably, his previous small study raised some concerns on the research design side. But Dr. Raoult was officially a member of the first scientific council set up by French President Macron to advise him on the CoV-19 pandemic. He's definitely NOT a fraud.

In fact, Dr. Raoult and a collaborative team of 28 microbiologists, physicians, biostatisticians, and pharmacologists in Marseille just completed and published the largest RCT to date last week on March 27 involving 80 CoV-19 patients who were treated with HCQ/AZ. The study was conducted at the University Hospital Institute Méditerranée Infection in Marseille, France and financially supported by the French National Research Agency.

The median age was 52 years (range 20 to 86) with nearly 1:1 male/female. The primary therapeutic objective was to treat patients who have moderate or severe infections at an early enough stage to avoid progression to a serious and irreversible condition. The elimination of viral carriage in the human reservoir of the virus was recognized in the study as a priority.

57.5% of the patients had at least one chronic condition known to be a risk factor for the severe form of CoV-19 with hypertension, diabetes and chronic respiratory disease being the most frequent. The mean Polymerase chain reaction (PCR) (a method used to copy and amplify specific DNA samples for detailed analysis) CT value was 23.4. A PCR CT value < 34 means the patient has tested positive for CoV-19.

A rapid fall of nasopharyngeal viral load tested by PCR was noted, with 83% negative at Day 7, and 93% at Day 8. The number of patients presumably contagious (with a PCR CT value <34) steadily decreased overtime and reached zero on Day 12.

The team concluded that the rapid negativation of viral cultures from patients’ respiratory samples under treatment with HCQ/AZ showed the efficacy of the HCQ/AZ dyad. Moreover, the rapid decrease in the viral RNA load also suggests the effectiveness of the treatment in the early impairment of contagiousness.

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Recent Marseille, France study

 

[HockeyRef]

Re: COVID-19 - Part 2

Since 2010, there have been between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually due to influenza (Source: CDC).
Between 100,000 and 240,000 Americans could face death due to Covid-19 in the coming weeks (Source: Coronavirus Task Force).

This morning on GMA: Men twice more likely to die of it than women, the 20 to 40 year old age group is more likely to die of it by 33% (my kids ages). My husband is still working at a manufacturing plant in Laconia. He gets his temp done every morning, and has to wear a mask during the day...praying he stays well (and me). Thinking of everyone here. Regardless of what we think about the situation, this affects all of us to one degree or another. My students really miss school if you can believe that (well, the social interaction). I had 45 of them on a google meet up yesterday and let them chatter for a couple of mins...it was deafening. This is their 9/11. FWIW dept I'd rather be at work this online stuff is far from ideal but, we are doing the best we can out in educationland….

 

[Wayuphere]

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Crickets.
Where’s all “the Trump virus is not a big deal” posters? That theme has disappeared over the last few days.
$1200 buys off a lot of silence(and votes). But then again, the orange man child has used that buy off tactic for years, just not hookers this time.

 

[HockeyRef]

Crickets.
Where’s all “the Trump virus is not a big deal” posters? That theme has disappeared over the last few days.
$1200 buys off a lot of silence(and votes). But then again, the orange man child has used that buy off tactic for years, just not hookers this time.

To say a good job was done with a projection of 240,000 deaths...this was so poorly managed from the get go. Really points out in a big way how much our health care systems are struggling...and despite the rosy forecasts ..the economy.

Anyone can do a search of how the U.S. fares with the rest of the developed world as far as the health of our citizens goes.

Major reforms need to happen. What's this I read that Trump blocked entrance into the health care portals? What plan does he have for health care hes had 3 years to come up with something??? It's a disgrace...greatest nation in the world and people STILL do not have health care. It's a right...not a priviledge.

Also his "we had nothing to work with" BS..well then why didnt you fix that when you took office. I mean really...*** has he actually done for this country???

 

[Wayuphere]

To say a good job was done with a projection of 240,000 deaths...this was so poorly managed from the get go. Really points out in a big way how much our health care systems are struggling...and despite the rosy forecasts ..the economy.

Anyone can do a search of how the U.S. fares with the rest of the developed world as far as the health of our citizens goes.

Major reforms need to happen. What's this I read that Trump blocked entrance into the health care portals? What plan does he have for health care hes had 3 years to come up with something??? It's a disgrace...greatest nation in the world and people STILL do not have health care. It's a right...not a priviledge.

Also his "we had nothing to work with" BS..well then why didnt you fix that when you took office. I mean really...*** has he actually done for this country???

Seriously, I wonder if/when we see the infection rate slow, who will make the most noise: “social distancing works crowd” or “overrated overreaction not a big deal crowd“.
I know the answer but expect it will be debated.

 

[NCAA watcher]

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Just think of this as a test run for Global Warming crises in the coming years. Denial, rejection of science because it is a political agenda, arguments about costs, and finally, one group leading based on science.

Will we have examples of science giving us "false positives" of threats to which we overreact? Yes. But ignore science and consensus among experts at your (or actually, our collective) peril.

 

[Wayuphere]

Just think of this as a test run for Global Warming crises in the coming years. Denial, rejection of science because it is a political agenda, arguments about costs, and finally, one group leading based on science.

Will we have examples of science giving us "false positives" of threats to which we overreact? Yes. But ignore science and consensus among experts at your (or actually, our collective) peril.

Good point.

 

[Darius]

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To say a good job was done with a projection of 240,000 deaths...this was so poorly managed from the get go. Really points out in a big way how much our health care systems are struggling...and despite the rosy forecasts ..the economy.

Anyone can do a search of how the U.S. fares with the rest of the developed world as far as the health of our citizens goes.

Major reforms need to happen. What's this I read that Trump blocked entrance into the health care portals? What plan does he have for health care hes had 3 years to come up with something??? It's a disgrace...greatest nation in the world and people STILL do not have health care. It's a right...not a priviledge.

Also his "we had nothing to work with" BS..well then why didnt you fix that when you took office. I mean really...*** has he actually done for this country???

If ever there was a time for Bernie's message to resonate to victory, this is it. Not advocating, just commenting that the Democratic machine is as entrenched in their sh*t as the Republican machine is entrenched in theirs.

 

[Jon]

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Why would they leave a city that finally brought them success after their pointless previous incarnation?

They wouldn't... unless the confluence of Chinese bioweapons, the passing of Neil Peart, and the officiating incompetence of Hockey East all combined to force them back into le Stade Olympique.

It's a dry run for getting the SMT's back to the Frozen Four.

 

[Darius]

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My take on HCQ is that both "sides" are right. If one of my loved ones was on the respirator path or worse, then why not give it a try? On the other hand, being healthy, moderately or even very sick, but not needing breathing support, I'd pass. No sense in risking side effects.

 

[HockeyRef]

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If ever there was a time for Bernie's message to resonate to victory, this is it. Not advocating, just commenting that the Democratic machine is entrenched in their sh*t as the Republican machine is entrenched in theirs.

Could not agree more Darius...could not agree more....

 

[Darius]

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Yesterday's WH briefing was probably the longest one yet. Shame on CNN for not showing the President speaking. Shame. They cut in when Dr. Birx began her brilliant presentation. Visual aids drove her point home. Dr. Fauci was also excellent. If the president could parse their words and speak them as if he believed them, he would have a speech that is discussed along with the greatest in Presidential history.

President Trump simply can't help himself from speaking petty, childish words that make me cringe, but yesterday he spoke from the heart more than ever before. He has internalized the crisis, for now anyway. He may think and be correct that he can come out of this a hero in the eyes of a large majority of Americans.

VP Pence now has a "30 Days To Slow The Spread" prop. LOL.

1.1 million tests completed vs. 26 million promised.

Jim Acosta may not be a d1ckh3ad, but he sure plays one on TV.

 

[Darius]

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Probably too soon to be commenting on this, but reports (yes, they are from sources like the Washington Post) are starting to surface that red states like FL, KY, OK are receiving 100%+ of requested supplies while IL, MA, ME are receiving a fraction of what they request. There (((should))) be police escorted convoys moving supplies from less infected to more infected states and then back as/when needed.

If this is true, I will never have a good word or thought for the President again. Ever.

 

[aparch]

Probably too soon to be commenting on this, but reports (yes, they are from sources like the Washington Post) are starting to surface that red states like FL, KY, OK are receiving 100%+ of requested supplies while IL, MA, ME are receiving a fraction of what they request. There (((should))) be police escorted convoys moving supplies from less infected to more infected states and then back as/when needed.

If this is true, I will never have a good word or thought for the President again. Ever.

For Illinois, Governor Pritzker has stated that on top of the reduced number of masks received (asked for one million, received 300,000), the Federal Governement sent surgical masks and not the N95 masks requested.

 

[Wicked Slappaahs]

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Interesting article on the deep dive researchers have done in studying the current COVID case data not only from China but from 37 other countries

https://www.livescience.com/death-rate-lower-than-estimates.html

If you go to the link on the Lancet case study, the "Discussion" portion of the article is well worth a read, as is the entire summary.

 

[Chuck Murray]

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Time for an extended run-through of yesterday's fan mail, which was a decidedly mixed bag ...

Entre nous. Of course these newspapers have covered it. You would be amazed to learn that they report both the good and the bad news.

And I'm not partisan, so you pointing to Feinstein does not make me recoil. If she broke the law, then so be it. I understand that there are some facts that make her potentially different than the three republicans (Inofe, Loeffler and Burr) like she missed the meeting, and I thought I read that her husband was already in negotiations to sell the stock so it was a "one-off" and not a dumping, and also the stock actually went up in the post market. But those are facts to be sorted out, and again, I have no skin the game of defending them. You seem to want to play gotcha a lot -- when we point out a flaw in your tribe, you resort to "but the WHO, but China, but Feinstein..." I prefer to call them fairly.

You would probably be surprised to learn that one of my HS social studies/current events teachers - who doubled as the head hockey coach back in the mid-'70's - made us all subscribe to the Times for a year as part of the curriculum. I ended up taking a second year with the same teacher, next level, because it opened my mind to a lot of new things and ideas. The one thing I'll always remember from my teacher was that he pointed out the difference between the News and Editorial sides of their operation, and how their editor (Rosenthal at the time?) made sure that News didn't let Editorial seep into their reporting.

It's been a LONG time since Rosenthal left the editor's desk, and it's been a LONG time since the Times enforced his separation of News and Editorial. And with widely publicized instances where News has ******ed about how headlines were too kind to the President for their liking - and gotten their way - the current Times sadly bears no resemblance to past editions. And when you haven't backed a GOP presidential candidate for going on 68 years (presuming Biden will get their nod this time) you kind of give up any pretense of objectivity, don't you?

I've actually given a lot of thought on our disconnect on the "blame pie" thing, 'Watcher. I have a rough example in mind, but I'll hold off on adding it here, as this is already going to be a long enough post ...

And also answer the more pressing question: I was running to Rush, and came to two conclusions. First, many of my favorite guitar songs are actually driven by Geddy's bass. Red Barchetta. Is his playing superior to Lifeson, even though the bass is generally a stupid instrument.
Second, if you could trade a virus vaccine for developing the electric guitar, would you do it?

HUGE fan of Geddy's bass runs. I figure when playing Rush while driving, it's an even split between air drums and air bass, with maybe a 10% share for Lifeson's lead guitar (probably more "Snow Dog" on the older stuff). As to the second part … there's not nearly enough electric guitar in music these days, I don't see a comeback in my (our?) lifetime, so yeah, I make that trade only because I'm giving up on something that's not really around in a major way these days.

Now onto Pony Boy who coughs up this furry little hairball ...

Be sure swallow all those talking points from Fox like a good boy.
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So because of your insightful post, I went to check out what Rachel Maddow had to say about the fine job WHO is doing on our behalf, so I'll share the link with you below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1a4Pq5GQBc

Now we get to talk numbers with TUPD who tried to ridicule the President for a supposedly incorrect assertion about the total number of tests administered by the US ...

So all that matters is whether or not President Trump can be proven correct today despite the fact that he screwed us six weeks ago. There is no doubt in my mind that at some point the United States of America will test more than the ROK. But that's due solely to sheer volume. Had President Trump tested...what is your number...800k...in freakin' February then Hail to the Chief and thump your chest. So yea us that we finally tested more people than ROK. I'll still be washing my f*c*ing groceries in June. And who gives a ***** about China.

Folks, there is more involved in protecting the American way of life than simply fielding an army. And that's where President Trump failed all of us. Miserably.

I notice you didn't provide me the data for total tests, even when I said you could sway me with it. Interestingly, during yesterday's briefing, the total number of US tests was disclosed at roughly 1.1 million - right in between my projection of 800K-1.5 million. And increasing by 100K per day, so it was probably "only" 1.0 million when you said he was "incorrect".

And as far as supposed delays by Trump's team … listening to Drs. Fauci and Birx yesterday, they were asked that question in several forms by Jim Acosta, and they're not buying your pitch. Those are the experts, as we were told by you folks, back when you guys dreamed up your little fantasy about how Dr. Fauci was secretly against "Bad Orange Man". It's only a matter of time before you guys decide they're racists now. That's usually how you guys roll, right?

Finally, on to the "star of the show" from the wilds of Indiana, by way of Wisconsin and Providence ...

Instead of criticizing Chuck's politics - which would be more fun for me if social media didn't exist - can you all not see that this is part of WIS' master plan of bringing Les Expos back to Montreal? It's all falling into place...

Busted dammit