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Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

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dxmnkd316 said:
yeah, I misread and deleted. And I thought that was always understood. It's not a bulletproof vest. But studies show that it does potentially help reduce the likelihood of getting it and potentially improve the recovery chances.
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No, people do not understand it. My anti-covid vax neighbor looked me right in the eye and said the vaccination doesn't do a damm thing. I had the gall to say it did something.
 
Scarlet said:
So, the last booster I got was in September that (I believe) was that new one to protect you against variants. Is there going to be a time to get another one?

Saw on the news this morning that the positivity rate in MA is 12.25% Greeeeaaat.
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We are almost certain to have yearly updated boosters, like with flu shots. Hopefully efficacy is better with the covid boosters.

I would be surprised if we were catching more than 5-10% of cases. Between home tests, people not caring and Covid mixing in with a bunch of other bugs, we just aren't testing enough to get the full picture.


That said, it's probably ok unless a new variant that comes out that's as infectious as Omicron but has increased severity. At that point, it might ultimately be a new virus altogether, but I'm not a virologist.
 
MichVandal said:
Since we got COVID in September, we have been waiting to get the booster until roughly now. Maybe good timing?

And on kind of a scary note- long covid is still a pretty nasty problem, apparently. One of the U of Tubes channels I watch, the creator just posted that they are still suffering badly from long COVID, 6 months post infection. And I'm sure vaccination was part of the equation. Yikes.
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I also caught covid in September, and got the booster in late december (about 90 days later). Go get it!


As others have said, my reading is that boosters/vaccines protect you very well from serious illness and death, and do offer some pretty damn good short term prophylactic immunity, however since Omicron it's just so infectious that it simply doesn't take much virus ... juice... to infect a person. I also read that instances of long covid are much lower among those who have up-to-date vaccinations (3 doses of OG series plus booster).
 
We have appts for the update, but my vaccine question is more about the new variant than long covid.

if this is another BA version, it seems the BA booster would help.
 
MichVandal said:
Since we got COVID in September, we have been waiting to get the booster until roughly now. Maybe good timing?

And on kind of a scary note- long covid is still a pretty nasty problem, apparently. One of the U of Tubes channels I watch, the creator just posted that they are still suffering badly from long COVID, 6 months post infection. And I'm sure vaccination was part of the equation. Yikes.
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My Nephews wife, has suffered since last July. She was vaxxed.
 
ScoobyDoo said:
No, you can still get long covid even if you are vaccinated is the way I read it. The vaccination is the same as the flu vaccine. It will keep you alive. It will keep your lungs from filling up. But, it can't do much else. Too much variance going on.
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Yeah, I ended up with long COVID 11 months ago, maybe a month after my most recent shot.

I just got the bivalent booster about 3 weeks ago, so I’m hoping to avoid too many harsh complications should I catch a current variant. .
 
dxmnkd316 said:
I thought I read the leasing theory is XBB was recombinant omicron descendent with some other covid strain.
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So I didn't think so, and started googling (I had thought XBB was just yet another version of Omicron, as by now virtually all other variants are genuinely extinct). And naturally, Fox News has an article about it. I won't link it, but the headline explicitly states that XBB is "more likely to infect the vaccinated". I mean, seriously. The level of disingenuous, purposefully obtuse nonsense in just those few words, so carefully selected...


But anyway, we were both right.
https://www.who.int/news/item/27-10-2022-tag-ve-statement-on-omicron-sublineages-bq.1-and-xbb
It is a recombinant version... of two other Omicron subvariants. Also, here's the money shot from that article:
The potential impact of these variants is strongly influenced by the regional immune landscape. While reinfections have become an increasingly higher proportion of all infections, this is primarily seen in the background of non-Omicron primary infections. With waning immune response from initial waves of Omicron infection, and further evolution of Omicron variants, it is likely that reinfections may rise further.
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This is probably where Fox News took the seed of info they distorted into straight disinformation.
 
I'm not sure I could make that logical leap from "regional immune landscape" to "vaccines are more likely to get it"

then again, my brain hasn't been absolutely poisoned beyond repair. Though, maybe there's hope. A Kristol probably voted for a democrat this past year.
 
I assume they were keying off "while reinfections have become an increasingly higher proportion of all infections". Like back in 2021 when some studies were saying that vaccinated people had a similar viral load to unvaccinated people, without indicating that said vaccinated viral load lasted like 1/5 the time and was mostly dead virus. Or when they whined that most people in hospitals with covid were vaccinated, ergo vaccines didn't work (without sharing that the vaccination rate in the population they were talking about was like 80%).
 
Swansong said:
I assume they were keying off "while reinfections have become an increasingly higher proportion of all infections". Like back in 2021 when some studies were saying that vaccinated people had a similar viral load to unvaccinated people, without indicating that said vaccinated viral load lasted like 1/5 the time and was mostly dead virus. Or when they whined that most people in hospitals with covid were vaccinated, ergo vaccines didn't work (without sharing that the vaccination rate in the population they were talking about was like 80%).
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But the point of the vaccine... back in October, people were 18x more likely to die unvaccinated than fully, 6x than just a simple vaccine. Since 80% of the population is vaccinated, a majority of people dying are not vaccinated, even though they are only 20% of the population. Assuming I'm doing that math right.

I don't know where to look for hospitalization data, but the case rate reported is about 2.4-3:1 un vs. vaccinated. So barley more vaccinated are getting infected even though being 80% of the population. So my logic tells me that the hospitalization is somewhat wider than 3:1.

Returning to who the misleading data hits the most- those would be the ones 18x more likely do die anyway. Which ends up reducing their viewer and voting numbers by somewhere around >100k/year. Kind of a bad business plan.
 
Totally agree on your last paragraph. This seems incredibly short sighted by the right, but I suppose if you add the idea that it's being fed to these useful idiots by Russian and/or Chinese psyops with the goal of destabilizing the US, then I suppose things make a bit more sense.
 
I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.

Note: China currently claims 5,200 deaths from Don't Mention the You Know What.

The US has 3,362 deaths per million population. China claims 4. Assume their real number is 4,000.

That's 5.2M deaths.
 
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