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Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

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French Rage said:
Meanwhile, Jeb's mom has her ***-in-tote------al disrepair after the truckers finished with her.
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My local Qnut was at it again today. Asked one of his fellow travellers whether there were any new variants out today, maybe another three or four new ones. And then he said, "I don't know why they just skipped past all the letters and went straight to Omicron. Where'd the rest of them go?"

So I said "they were there, they just got crowded out and squeezed out by Delta and this new one, which you would know if you knew anything about what you're talking about"

Which of course led to them to dismissing it right out of hand as false, and me being an idiot who doesn't know anything. And then he started sputtering about all the election fraud, so I said, " you know, for all the talk about it, I just wish someone would show me some evidence of it sometime, and he's like, " you wait, its coming"

I said, "its been a year and over 60 court cases, and we still haven't seen anything yet" so he's, "well, the courts won't allow it to be shown," I said, "for you to take a case to court, first you need to present evidence a crime happened" and again he says, " the courts won't allow the evidence", so I just said, "yeah, that's what happened" and walked away.
 
Kepler said:
Is severity a synonym for lethality or lethality x transmissibility?
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Less lethal (and maybe less taxing on our hospitals). I think.

I think the jury is still out on hospitals. My analogy earlier about rapidity of spread still holds. It's not good if everyone gets a less lethal variant at the same time. Because while hospitalization rate per 100k goes down, they all happen in a short period. But we just don't know because hospitalizations are a lagging indicator.

transmissibility seems significantly worse. So in some sense, both are good. Sort of. I'd rather have a less lethal variant of something spread rapidly to help provide some immunity to more people.

on the other hand, it means the next step in evolution would/could be to evade immunity as opposed to just being more transmissible. Which is not good. And there's always a chance it mutates into something that has the same transmissibility but is much more lethal.

aside: I was always under the assumption that viruses tend to become more transmissible and less lethal over time. Apparently that's a common misconception. Or rather, it's not a rule or general trend, it just sometimes happens to go that way. At least according to Carl Bergstrom. So maybe we got lucky here.
 
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My hospital system is being overwhelmed by the demand for mAB treatment and are frantically opening up new locations.

But let's just pretend everything is fine.
 
At some point we need to start rationing mAB for those who need it like the immunocompromised. Omicron is going to seek every potential host out with unprecedented efficiency. The most vulnerable must be protected at the cost of the most selfish.
 
There is no supply shortage, fortunately. but there is a crippling staff shortage and a growing clinical space shortage. And this says nothing about the non-clinical staff necessary to get this up and running, support and bill for it.



but why bother with a free vaccine when I get get a very expensive antibody treatment?
 
Swansong said:
My hospital system is being overwhelmed by the demand for mAB treatment and are frantically opening up new locations.

But let's just pretend everything is fine.
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So you are trying to forget that every single year, our hospital systems all over the country (world) get overwhelmed by the simple flu- since it's the same thing...

Oh, wait, that's never happened....
 
dxmnkd316 said:
Less lethal (and maybe less taxing on our hospitals). I think.

I think the jury is still out on hospitals. My analogy earlier about rapidity of spread still holds. It's not good if everyone gets a less lethal variant at the same time. Because while hospitalization rate per 100k goes down, they all happen in a short period. But we just don't know because hospitalizations are a lagging indicator.

transmissibility seems significantly worse. So in some sense, both are good. Sort of. I'd rather have a less lethal variant of something spread rapidly to help provide some immunity to more people.

on the other hand, it means the next step in evolution would/could be to evade immunity as opposed to just being more transmissible. Which is not good. And there's always a chance it mutates into something that has the same transmissibility but is much more lethal.

aside: I was always under the assumption that viruses tend to become more transmissible and less lethal over time. Apparently that's a common misconception. Or rather, it's not a rule or general trend, it just sometimes happens to go that way. At least according to Carl Bergstrom. So maybe we got lucky here.
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Severity usually refers to how sick it makes people, not how lethal it is (although dying of a disease would indicate that it is quite severe, obviously).


A best possible case scenario would be that Omicron is as transmissible as it seems to be (2-4 times moreso than Delta, which... yikes), but much less severe. That way it's effectively a mild cold that everyone gets and then we move on to the endemic phase.


In all likelihood, it's as transmissible as they say but only slighly less severe as Delta, so cases explode again but hospitalization raw number stay pat.


We're 20 months in and clinical staff is burned out. Hospitals are facing crippling staff shortages, not to mention revenue shortfalls. We need a break.
 
Swansong said:
There is no supply shortage, fortunately. but there is a crippling staff shortage and a growing clinical space shortage. And this says nothing about the non-clinical staff necessary to get this up and running, support and bill for it.



but why bother with a free vaccine when I get get a very expensive antibody treatment?
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Cause Big Pharma makes beaucoup bucks from the vaccine.
 
ScoobyDoo said:
Wow. The idiots must be getting desperate.
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To the occasional observer, health authorities’/experts advice may seem like pure nonsense. But track the communications over time and you see how calculated it all is. One lie, contradiction, and absurd order after another, methodically breaking and humiliating those who follow them, Covidians.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
aside: I was always under the assumption that viruses tend to become more transmissible and less lethal over time. Apparently that's a common misconception. Or rather, it's not a rule or general trend, it just sometimes happens to go that way. At least according to Carl Bergstrom. So maybe we got lucky here.
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I read an article today that states your first sentence. There is some evidence that omicron is showing that Covid is mutating towards a common cold type virus. Which is what some experts predicted months ago could happen. It is a coronavirus after all, which causes 25% of the common colds. So, it would be no surprise if Covid eventually heads in that direction, is the theory.

Of course, the article did say it's way too early to know either way, and whether omicron is the mutation that even starts us down that path.

In the meantime, I got my booster last week.
 
I agree with your local epi in her comments yesterday that were not endemic just yet
 
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