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Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

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Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
Would only take about 100 days for the mRNA boosters which is nice if needed to update for Omnicon
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To be fair, everybody sane in the world cares about keeping the US away from the Nazis.

Except, apparently, American voters.
 
About the earlier conversation, covid is here to stay period. It’s endemic. We would need to essentially vaccinate 100% of all people forever until we eliminate all other potential animal reservoirs. We lost the opportunity to contain in 2020 or maybe early 2021.

We just aren’t going to have an end. Like others mentioned above, it’s now about maximizing individual protection against the virus just like the flu vaccine. We need to get the vaccines, it doesn’t even matter which ones, to everyone on the planet regardless of whether they’ve had covid before. We need treatments. A change to how we are going to care for waves of covid in the future.

So yeah, the more I think about, the more it makes sense to end the pandemic response and move to endemic response. This includes changes to how we insure the population and how we allocate resources. A doctor will never leave a patient untreated, that’s unethical and we don’t want that. We shouldn’t put them in that situation. But we change how those people choose to pay for their care. Increased premiums, 0% coverage of costs, etc. Refuse employment, admittance, travel. it’s a choice. Few are rights.

The Right has b-tched about the pandemic and the response. The endemic response is going to be and should be hell. They allowed this to happen.

Not that any of this isn’t obvious or new. It’s just finally clicking with me.
 
You will see a mass exodus of teachers (even more than is currently happening) if you do this wrong. We need student populations vaccinated at a much higher rate before we can do any of this. As someone whose gf is running an online school for her district I can promise you we are a bad semester away from full on educational breakdown. Teachers are already stretched too thin and if we just basically throw our hands up and try and move forward it is going to get really fucking ugly.

Now, if we mandate COVID vaccines just to go back to in person...then I might be with you. But trust me when I tell you the only thing more precarious right now than our Democracy is public education.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
Oh yeah, covid vaccines for students is a no brainer IMO. Tack it on to the long list of vaccines already required.
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The problem is...if Biden does that he is signing his own death warrant. Does he have the balls to do that? I should hope so...the fact we even have to discuss it is why this country is a failed state.
 
Handyman said:
The problem is...if Biden does that he is signing his own death warrant. Does he have the balls to do that? I should hope so...the fact we even have to discuss it is why this country is a failed state.
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Seems that if the localities actually see the crisis that you've noted, they will be forced to make it happen locally. Sure, there will be ugly confrontations, but better that than all the teachers quitting.
 
Handyman said:
The problem is...if Biden does that he is signing his own death warrant. Does he have the balls to do that? I should hope so...the fact we even have to discuss it is why this country is a failed state.
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I think MV nails it. That's a local problem to solve unfortunately. As are so many of the endemic responses.
 
Handyman said:
You will see a mass exodus of teachers (even more than is currently happening) if you do this wrong. We need student populations vaccinated at a much higher rate before we can do any of this. As someone whose gf is running an online school for her district I can promise you we are a bad semester away from full on educational breakdown. Teachers are already stretched too thin and if we just basically throw our hands up and try and move forward it is going to get really fucking ugly.

Now, if we mandate COVID vaccines just to go back to in person...then I might be with you. But trust me when I tell you the only thing more precarious right now than our Democracy is public education.
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Half the country doesn’t believe in education and would like to see the public school system go tits up.
 
The country was on the brink before the pandemic. The pandemic is just going to push it over the ledge. I don't see how we survive this. Heard a great report this morning where they were talking about how no one believes the things that really happened with Russia and the 2016 election (it's in the Mueller report, and Rubio's own committee investigated and reported on it). They basically said, and I agree, that the same thing is going to happen with 1/6. It's inevitable. We live in a post facts, smash and grab world now. Get vaccinated to protect yourself but know this, you will have to get boosted every 6-12 months for the rest of your life and your life is never going back to normal.
 
ScoobyDoo said:
The country was on the brink before the pandemic. The pandemic is just going to push it over the ledge. I don't see how we survive this. Heard a great report this morning where they were talking about how no one believes the things that really happened with Russia and the 2016 election (it's in the Mueller report, and Rubio's own committee investigated and reported on it). They basically said, and I agree, that the same thing is going to happen with 1/6. It's inevitable. We live in a post facts, smash and grab world now. Get vaccinated to protect yourself but know this, you will have to get boosted every 6-12 months for the rest of your life and your life is never going back to normal.
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The middle third of this country has massively, massively let us down.
 
SJHovey said:
Schools were having a difficulty finding teachers before Covid, especially in certain teaching areas and geographic areas.
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Probably because we pay them shit for what they have to put up with. I imagine we will be mostly home schooling in the next 50 years or so. The Republican Party has spent the last 40 years destroying the public school system.
 
MichVandal said:
Seems that if the localities actually see the crisis that you've noted, they will be forced to make it happen locally. Sure, there will be ugly confrontations, but better that than all the teachers quitting.
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The problem with this is that the ugly confrontations are just as big a factor in them quitting, a mandate will just make that even worse. Teachers will be flocking to the exits either way, because half the country will throw the worlds biggest temper tantrum if a mandate is ordered.
 
ScoobyDoo said:
Probably because we pay them **** for what they have to put up with. I imagine we will be mostly home schooling in the next 50 years or so. The Republican Party has spent the last 40 years destroying the public school system.
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I get that the stock response around here to issues like this is that we just need to throw more money at them. Sure, I suppose that if we start paying third grade teachers $2 million/year, we'll have a surplus of third grade teachers.

This is not a unique problem for teachers. Or for restaurant/bar servers, or any other position. I'm not really aware of too many areas where we aren't seeing a shortage of licensed/trained/capable employment candidates.
 
SJHovey said:
I get that the stock response around here to issues like this is that we just need to throw more money at them. Sure, I suppose that if we start paying third grade teachers $2 million/year, we'll have a surplus of third grade teachers.

This is not a unique problem for teachers. Or for restaurant/bar servers, or any other position. I'm not really aware of too many areas where we aren't seeing a shortage of licensed/trained/capable employment candidates.
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I'm not saying throw money at it. I'm saying we pay them shit.
 
jerphisch said:
The problem with this is that the ugly confrontations are just as big a factor in them quitting, a mandate will just make that even worse. Teachers will be flocking to the exits either way, because half the country will throw the worlds biggest temper tantrum if a mandate is ordered.
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Depends on the location, as I see it. And the R effort to gut education is going to hurt them the most. Just like COVID has long term. At some point, someone is going to see the difference, and they will be forced to change, but that's going to take a while. This is where the industrialization of farming is going to benefit society vs. the small farmers who can't be bothered with education (and that's not ALL small farmers, but the ones who are part of the fight against education and COVID help.
 
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