Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

[First Time Long Time]

Your silly measures don’t stop a virus.

Better than doing nothing like you and your ilk want.
But death is all that matters and everyone else is fine right dipshit?

 

[MissThundercat]

In an alternate reality, I'm imagining President Hillary Clinton getting out in front of this, activating the pandemic response team, and putting responsible people in charge as well as trusting the CDC and the WHO, instead of doctors who think God is watching us while having sex. At the very least, I don't think we'd be debating how to safely open schools.

 

[Jeb2020]

Better than doing nothing like you and your ilk want.
But death is all that matters and everyone else is fine right dip****?

This is false and dangerous. The old anything is better than nothing. Not if “anything” leads to more consequences.

Good intentions don’t mean squat if they don’t produce good results. And many of the silly mandates do not produce anything but consequences.

Hell there isn’t even any correlation that masks in public do anything where there are strong mandates vs places where there are not.

“Mandates Improve Safety

Regulators who mandate behavior usually do so with good intentions, trying to improve public health and safety. The effect is often the reverse.

Medical care got worse, not better, when central planners meddled at U.S. hospitals based on computer models that predicted bed and ventilator shortages. As a result, doctors and nurses with on-the-ground knowledge lost control.

Decisions to delay vaccinations and elective surgeries like hip replacements and hernia repairs came from hundreds or even thousands of miles away. Even cancer treatments got postponed, putting thousandsof lives at risk while forcing furloughs and pay cuts across the system.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...lacies-that-will-stall-covid-19-recovery/amp/

 

[Jeb2020]

A better reply would be- you mean like it hasn't stopped it and save lives in South Korea, or New Zealand? Or even most of Europe? You mean all of those lack of infections and accompanying deaths?

Do nothing, thousands die and the economy goes to crap. Do a lot, thousands survive, and the economy gets back on track across the board. That's exactly how it's played out all over the world.

Why are people so dense to not see that?

Yeah South Korea and New Zealand. We have plenty of spots across the country that are also having no problem with the virus.

Please do elaborate on Europe.

Why isn’t California having success with all their mandates? Even if compliance is your answer they are surely “doing more” than areas with less in place.

https://mobile.twitter.com/yinonw/status/1286146359590973440

AZ/TX/FL cases have nearly reached NY's peak and showing signs of decreasing. Daily deaths are so far 6x lower than NY's peak. Meanwhile, Australia had more cases today than Sweden. Even an island can only isolate for so long. Brings into question the whole point of lockdowns.

 

[French Rage]

In an alternate reality, I'm imagining President Hillary Clinton getting out in front of this, activating the pandemic response team, and putting responsible people in charge as well as trusting the CDC and the WHO, instead of doctors who think God is watching us while having sex. At the very least, I don't think we'd be debating how to safely open schools.

Buttery males.

 

[First Time Long Time]

Yes Jeb...being cautious is better than doing nothing.
i swear you and Trump are peas in a pod.
Your sources are BS Twitter putzes who can't even use their real names but you are the one who's right?
Delusions of grandeur indeed.

 

[Jeb2020]

Yes Jeb...being cautious is better than doing nothing.
i swear you and Trump are peas in a pod.
Your sources are BS Twitter putzes who can't even use their real names but you are the one who's right?
Delusions of grandeur indeed.

Again no it’s not if you are referring to measures that apply to everyone. People in high risk groups talking necessary precautions makes sense. 100s of millions of people without a virus is completely absurd.

The data presented by the putz was from Covidtracking.com. I get it, I know you are definitely in the group that is triggered when stats are presented with any context.

Europe looking at the consequences of lockdowns.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...e-say-experts/

Lockdown has killed 21,000 people, data suggests

 

[First Time Long Time]

Who is locked down right now? Who was ever actually locked down? Unless they were defying judicial orders...i don't know of anyone who was locked down. As usual...you don't get that just because you appear healthy doesn't mean you don't have it. It also doesn't mean you can't get it and spread it without knowing it or that nothing happens to you if you don't die.
All of these things have been said to you numerous times...yet you continue to insist you and your anonymous Twitter statisticians must be right and actual doctors must be wrong.
Your delusions are really incredible.

 

[Jeb2020]

Who is locked down right now? Who was ever actually locked down? Unless they were defying judicial orders...i don't know of anyone who was locked down. As usual...you don't get that just because you appear healthy doesn't mean you don't have it. It also doesn't mean you can't get it and spread it without knowing it or that nothing happens to you if you don't die.
All of these things have been said to you numerous times...yet you continue to insist you and your anonymous Twitter statisticians must be right and actual doctors must be wrong.
Your delusions are really incredible.

The initial premise was measures with the intent to make sure the medical and hospital system was not overwhelmed.

What is the premise now? The way you are talking is as if it is to get to zero cases?

The US has had 4.7 million “cases” which doesn’t even mean infections. But will leave that aside. 4.7 million cases since the onset. Those aren’t active all at once most are long gone and recovered. We live in a country of 330 million people the vast majority don’t and will not have a Covid 19 infection. The majority of this mandates are pointless and provide no value.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/28/panic-rising-covid-19-case-numbers-irrational-dangerous/

“Panic over rising Covid-19 case numbers is as irrational as it is dangerous

The number of recorded cases is irrelevant: what matters is admissions to hospital and deaths“

 

[First Time Long Time]

The initial premise was measures with the intent to make sure the medical and hospital system was not overwhelmed.

What is the premise now? The way you are talking is as if it is to get to zero cases?

The US has had 4.7 million “cases” which doesn’t even mean infections. But will leave that aside. 4.7 million cases since the onset. Those aren’t active all at once most are long gone and recovered. We live in a country of 330 million people the vast majority don’t and will not have a Covid 19 infection. The majority of this mandates are pointless and provide no value.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/28/panic-rising-covid-19-case-numbers-irrational-dangerous/

“Panic over rising Covid-19 case numbers is as irrational as it is dangerous

The number of recorded cases is irrelevant: what matters is admissions to hospital and deaths“

Again...as you have been told before (I swear you are incapable of reading or learning) the premise has not changed. As for the rest of your post...it's your usual BS...especially the last line. Man that's dangerous but no surprise you subscribe to it.
Holy shit you've got problems...

 

[Jeb2020]

Again...as you have been told before (I swear you are incapable of reading or learning) the premise has not changed. As for the rest of your post...it's your usual BS...especially the last line. Man that's dangerous but no surprise you subscribe to it.
Holy **** you've got problems...

So the premise is still making sure hospitals have capacity and aren’t overwhelmed? That’s it?

News flash for you...

Bold part. That’s not an argument. In fact it makes any argument you are making appear weak.

 

[First Time Long Time]

So the premise is still making sure hospitals have capacity and aren’t overwhelmed? That’s it?

News flash for you...

Bold part. That’s not an argument. In fact it makes any argument you are making appear week.

That is the major premise for states and cities yes.
and no shock you're too stupid to see that both things I say can be true. That hospitals and deaths are important but so are cases in general... especially with a virus that can be and has been easily spread by asymptomatic people.
And BTW...the word is weak you moron.

 

[Kepler]

Buttery males.

 

[Kepler]

NY has fallen to 4th in total cases.

Total Cases (in thousands)

509 CA
480 FL
449 TX
444 NY

 

[Jeb2020]

That is the major premise for states and cities yes.
and no shock you're too stupid to see that both things I say can be true. That hospitals and deaths are important but so are cases in general... especially with a virus that can be and has been easily spread by asymptomatic people.
And BTW...the word is weak you moron.

Hospitals are not being over run. So now that parameters need to be met?

If “cases in general” are important what does that mean? What is the parameter there?

Also deaths and hospitalizations are much more defined and seeing trends and interpreting is much easier. And we are seeing both decline across the country.

Cases on the other hand are very hard to interpret. Since the test is testing for RNA of a virus it’s doesn’t mean active infection. It will even pick up fragment RNA. And do we need to even get into all the issues with the testing results, data errors, reporting only positives, ect?

When can businesses that are affected by mandates right now see those restrictions eased or lifted? Especially ones in areas where their health system isn’t overwhelmed? Which is pretty much everywhere.

What is the parameter for schools to open in areas that don’t have an overburdened medical system? Which is pretty much everywhere.

 

[First Time Long Time]

Hospitals are not being over run. So now that parameters need to be met?

If “cases in general” are important what does that mean? What is the parameter there?

When can businesses that are affected by mandates right now see those restrictions eased or lifted? Especially ones in areas where their health system isn’t overwhelmed? Which is pretty much everywhere.

What is the parameter for schools to open in areas that don’t have an overburdened medical system? Which is pretty much everywhere.

The point is to keep hospitals from being overrun...so masks and social distancing.
Businesses have been able to operate fairly well under those conditions...but you hate them so of course it's wrong. And they can be eased when the threat is over. (Definitely over...not when you and your Twitter friends say so)
As for schools...the mandate being used in MN works for me...but yet again I'm sure it doesn't for an "expert" like you.
So much is not known about the effects of this disease and won't for a long time. So again... caution over nothing. (And here you complain about how dangerous that is )
​​​​​​So basically...take whatever you want...and do the opposite cause you're a dumbass.

 

[Kepler]

FT, I know you like debating the dunce but do you realize 90% of your posts quote it? It's like you are actively assisting it hijacking the thread.

 

[First Time Long Time]

FT, I know you like debating the dunce but do you realize 90% of your posts quote it? It's like you are actively assisting it hijacking the thread.

Deal with it or ignore me as well. I do not care who has him on ignore.

 

[burd]

Does anybody know if dogs are more likely to chase their tales the dumber they are?

 

[First Time Long Time]

Does anybody know if dogs are more likely to chase their tales the dumber they are?

It's a boredom thing for.dogs, especially puppies. Not intelligence related at all.