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Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

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Drew S. said:
You’re definitely better off being vaccinated than not being vaccinated but with Delta I don’t think it’s going to be enough.
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The idea that we could make it so no one ever got this thing died well over a year ago. Obviously, trying to keep numbers low so variants don't pop up as quickly is also a lost cause. Game is shifting to making it as non-lethal as possible. Vaccination is still play #1, 2, and 3.
 
Swansong said:
Other than the CNN article and a couple it references (and that reference it), I can't find anything approaching a real authority on that "Pfizer is only 60% effective against Delta", and I've seen a few experts questioning its origin.

The fact is, vaccines work, and they work well. If you are vaccinated, you are extremely unlikely to contract COVID short of being in an India-like hot zone, and you are even further unlikely to develop a severe case.

4/4 people something something contract something something is a sample size so laughably small as not to be relevant, and shame on the media for this.



Last April, the Chief Infectious Disease doctor at the hospital I work for said "I have two pieces of advice: First, where a mask. Second, ignore the media."
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I don’t understand why we went away from masks in the first place. I absolutely hate wearing them but honestly until this thing is dead and buried we should have kept wearing them, at least indoors.

It will be interesting where the CDC goes from here. I would like to see intervention now so things don’t get completely out of control but that hasn’t been the American way when it comes to Covid.
 
Kepler said:
We have fire departments even though there are still fires.
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Kep, by design fire departments are re-active. Immunizations and inoculations are supposed to be preventative pro-active. The better comparison would've been we have fire inspectors and fire codes but still have fires.
 
Drew S. said:
Do you think Delta is being overblown and isn’t a concern? I would like to think you are right.
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Viruses will always continue to mutate when they have hosts, and republicans give them plenty of hosts.

it’s a concern but as far as we know, you’re going to be ok if you get it and have been vaccinated. Red states can pass delta around al day long and I’m not going to freak out unless it somehow mutates to something scary.
my only real concern here are kids and compromised people who can’t get vaxxed yet.
 
Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
Viruses will always continue to mutate when they have hosts, and republicans give them plenty of hosts.

it’s a concern but as far as we know, you’re going to be ok if you get it and have been vaccinated. Red states can pass delta around al day long and I’m not going to freak out unless it somehow mutates to something scary.
my only real concern here are kids and compromised people who can’t get vaxxed yet.
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Agreed totally. In a growing number of states, there just isn't enough of a population that hasn't received a vaccine and/or been infected (in either case, they have at least some level of immunity) for things to rise beyond a small brush fire. My heart breaks for people in low-vaccination states who will be infected and die from an entirely preventable disease, but it is what it is.
 
The Sicatoka said:
About the Delta variant, the claim, by some, is it is more transmissible, but is it more deadly? Same question for this Lambda variant. I'm not finding lots of data on mortality of Delta or Lambda vs the baseline.

One expert* says this:

"So far we have seen no indication that the lambda variant is more aggressive," Jairo Mendez-Rico, a WHO virologist, told the Deutsche Welle. "It is possible that it may exhibit higher infection rates, but we don't yet have enough reliable data to compare it to gamma or delta." He told the German outlet that as SARS-CoV-2 evolves, it may start to become more transmissible, but not as deadly. (<-- that is the usual 'flight path' of most viruses.)


*My two favorite engineering definitions of "expert":
- anyone from more than 40 miles away, because if they drove that far they must know more than us, or
- X is the unknown factor, and spurt is a drip under pressure --> X-spurt.
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If you are trying to prevent people from getting vaccinated for some reason, go for it. Keep downplaying it, and letting people die in an incredibly preventable way. Seeing that ~99% of people who are now dying are not vaccinated, your movement is working perfectly.

(otherwise, what's your point?)
 
Swansong said:
Agreed totally. In a growing number of states, there just isn't enough of a population that hasn't received a vaccine and/or been infected (in either case, they have at least some level of immunity) for things to rise beyond a small brush fire. My heart breaks for people in low-vaccination states who will be infected and die from an entirely preventable disease, but it is what it is.
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If the reason they are not vaccinated is that they don't have access to the vaccine, yes. Or if they have actual medical reasons to not get a vaccination, sure.

But what I'm seeing is that most people who are not vaccinated at this point are that way because of personal choice. And because of that choice, they are telling everyone in the world to not care about them at all. Who I feel sorry for are the healthcare workers who are tasked with keeping them alive, since they are largely wasting their time.

It's almost getting to the point that I'm wondering if I should not wear a mask so that I can spread it to people who refuse good science.
 
Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
Viruses will always continue to mutate when they have hosts, and republicans give them plenty of hosts.

it’s a concern but as far as we know, you’re going to be ok if you get it and have been vaccinated. Red states can pass delta around al day long and I’m not going to freak out unless it somehow mutates to something scary.
my only real concern here are kids and compromised people who can’t get vaxxed yet.
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I hope you’re right it just seems like with Covid once bad news starts to accumulate things usually go to hell. Our country has done such an unbelievably horrible job managing the pandemic I now expect the worst.

Edit: UK reported their highest number of Covid cases since January 29th today...
 
Drew S. said:
I hope you’re right it just seems like with Covid once bad news starts to accumulate things usually go to hell. Our country has done such an unbelievably horrible job managing the pandemic I now expect the worst.
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It wasn't "our country," it was the morons in power when it hit. Since we put the adults in charge there has been an enormous improvement.

The American Disaster was a Republican Disaster.
 
"it may become less deadly" is wishful thinking that flies in the face of facts at hand, as well. Who is this "expert" and what was the full context of this question? Claiming that is how most viruses work is ignoring about 25 trillion factors that are absolutely not yet at play here.

Relatively fewer people are dying from COVID now than in April of 2020 because of a bunch of (very broad) reasons:
  • Some small number of current infections are among the vaccinated, which offers a substantial amount of help
  • We are better at treating it in general, between new antibody treatments, the wide use of steroids, the dropping of the HCQ junk, the use of newer, different breathing assistance devices, etc.
  • Hospitals are not full and we aren't stretching clinicians beyond the breaking point
  • A lot of people have already been infected and have at least some level of immunity/resistance
I truly don't understand what Sic's point is.
 
MichVandal said:
If you are trying to prevent people from getting vaccinated for some reason, go for it. Keep downplaying it, and letting people die in an incredibly preventable way. Seeing that ~99% of people who are now dying are not vaccinated, your movement is working perfectly.

(otherwise, what's your point?)
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My point?

Is Delta or Lambda carrying a higher morbidity? I'm hearing "communicable", but not the other information.

So how's that stopping someone?
 
Again, what is your point, other than to show that nearly 1/500 North Dakota residents have died of COVID (and I'll take the over on that)?

That is miserably, horrifically bad. That's pre-vaccine-discovery-level bad. That is positively embarrassing for a first world country this far into the 21st century.
 
The Sicatoka said:
My point?

Is Delta or Lambda carrying a higher morbidity? I'm hearing "communicable", but not the other information.

So how's that stopping someone?
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The different between these variants are in the spike protein, not in the "money" part of the virus, so in theory the CFR should be pretty much the same. But they're new and data isn't full yet.



Again, I ask, what your main issue is, other than to argue and be argumentative.
 
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