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Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

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Jeb....Actually, YOU have to be economically illiterate to think we CAN'T turn the economy on and off. At least in the sense of maintaining the opportunity for the average person to pay their bills AND spend some money to keep the economy moving in at least a minimal fashion. Funny, myself and others have provided ideas about what the government could do (and what other industrialized democracies have done) to allow a significant portion of the workforce to stay at home until we have a vaccine and you refuse to address those ideas -- paying all adults $3,000 a month, while putting a hold on all home, college, and car loans until we have vaccine. Again, even the most pessimistic of scientists are saying we should have a vaccine with significant availability by January or February. And no, that doesn't meet the definition of we "can't keep it locked down FOREVER". Six to eight more months is NOT FOREVER... C'mon Jeb, what's your response to those ideas? If you can, please provide specifics that show we couldn't do that and that it would significantly damage the economy for the long-term.

Next, specifically define what you mean by, "the virus isn't going anywhere during a lockdown". If you mean it will still be in nature? Sure, that's correct. However, literally EVERY RESPECTED EXPERT in virology, epidemiology, and infectious diseases is saying that the ONLY WAY we can get the virus under control now that we've allowed it to get out of control again is to go back into lockdown. At least in the states/areas where the infection rates are above 10%. And yes you idiot, the primary reason for our initial lockdown was to give our hospitals time to build up PPE and figure out their plans for possible surges. However, the reality that you refuse to acknowledge, is that our moron for a president started urging states and the country as a whole to "open up" before a single state had actually met the guidelines provided by his own CDC!. Why? Because he decided that the only way for him to have even a snowball's chance in hell of winning re-election was to do anything he could to get the economy going again. Even if it meant thousands of preventable and unnecessary deaths. And, none of the states -- not a single one -- have opened up within the those guidelines.

Yes, the virus will still be around and, some will still get sick and even die after we come out of lockdown a second time. Nobody is saying or even insinuating any differently. What we -- and all of the experts are saying -- is that by locking down again for another month or two, we CAN and WILL slow the amount of spread significantly which, will give the country time to set up an adequate contact tracing program, take the pressure off of the currently beleaguered testing program so people aren't waiting two weeks for a result, as well as let areas of the country that are running out of ICU beds and experiencing shortages in proper staffing to get caught up. Not surprised you can't or, choose not to see the obvious rationale in locking down. So no you idiot, the virus actually WON'T CONTINUE TO SPREAD AT ANYWHERE NEAR THE CURRENT PACE -- IF we choose to lock down again. It's become extremely obvious that you are either a bot or, are genuinely lacking in the ability to discern normal, logical, fact-based reasoning about any issue or topic.

So much disaster in one long bull sh*t post.

You are economically illiterate and that is most likely putting it kindly. You can’t turn off an economy like a light switch and then turn it on with no consequences, that is a fact. Millions of businesses and many more million employees would be adversely affected.

The fact that you want to lock down a country of 330 million and the geographic size of the US says it all. Most parts never had a need to lockdown and certainly don’t today. Who are your top 2-3 model lockdown societies? So I can get some context of what you think is a good idea? You might want to do some thinking if you share a country about the size of flipping Idaho.
 
Is jeb seriously worried about extra profits made by hospitals??? Seriously? At the same time as politicians buying up hoards of drugs that don't work and want to lay them out onto the public as if they will do something?

Seriously?

Wow.

After 3.5 years of this administration being one of the most corrupt of all time- including our own president getting money for property he owns from OUR tax payer dollars (which is illegal) AND from other countries (which is unConstitutional). And now they are worried about high death counts fleecing more money? Add in all of the other ways that people are fleecing our taxes and other countries- which is so much deeper than this thread could get into (like selling citizenships)....

Come on.

That's getting desperate.

You don't need to inflate death counts for more money, anyway- just need to get as many people into hospitals as you possibly can. And at the same time, cut other parts of the hospital (which has happened)- and you can profit off of a pandemic.

You posted about hydroxychloroquine being some sort of opportunistic ploy for $. The drug has been around since 1955 and is cheap as sh*t. That’s one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard.

i said on the other hand if you want to sniff around where the big money really is start sniffing around the hospitals (healthcare system) and the money being dumped into a vaccine, 2009 is a great time to go back a learn from as well.

Like I said it’s 2020 and your “experts” have come up with the “Science” of

Lockdown/shutdown + mask up + wait for a vaccine

A vaccine that is going to create a response of some lasting immunity that the body apparently can’t when it fights of the virus naturally. Lmao.
 
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I may be wrong, Hovey, but I think others struggle with your willingness to ignore the fact that safety protocols are designed to protect others as much as yourself. It's true that people tend to patronize the elderly as needing more protection than the young, but we can endanger others through our own exposure too.

burd, first, I don't ignore safety protocols. I have written here before that I don't think I owe any one of you a duty to keep you safe in this pandemic, that you need to be looking out for yourself, but that said, I have also posted that I wear a mask, I don't go out and socialize in bars, I haven't had large gatherings in my home, etc...

What I struggle with regarding the elderly is treating them differently than you or me, setting an onerous set of rules that the rest of the country doesn't have to abide by, even in the most strict of jurisdictions, just because they are in the high risk category.

If they suffer from dementia or alzheimer's or lack the ability to think for themselves, fine, make the decisions to protect them. But if they are capable of making their own decisions, they've earned the right to decide whether they want to meet in groups of six (if related) or four if friends like everyone else I know here in Minnesota.
 
Sorry Hovey, but I think you're really missing the mark on this one.

I am not missing the mark on this one. What we are doing to elderly in nursing homes right now, people who are mentally capable of socializing with family members, will go down as one of the truly cruel acts that we have committed as a society. You've thrown these people in solitary confinement for no crime greater than being old.
 
I keep reading people complain that we "can't be on lock down forever". Can someone tell me when anywhere in the US was ever on lock down during this pandemic?

Note: I will not accept people who have tested positive being asked to quarantine as a lock down.
 
I am not missing the mark on this one. What we are doing to elderly in nursing homes right now, people who are mentally capable of socializing with family members, will go down as one of the truly cruel acts that we have committed as a society. You've thrown these people in solitary confinement for no crime greater than being old.

The problem here is they aren't making a decision that only puts themselves at risk, they are putting everyone else in the nursing home at risk. You clearly give zero phux about infecting others, but nursing homes have the responsibility to keep all their residents safe. So if someone is mentally capable of socializing with family members, they go right ahead and move out of the home and in with the family members. They cannot put every one of their neighbors at risk just because it is a risk they are ok with taking.
 
The problem here is they aren't making a decision that only puts themselves at risk, they are putting everyone else in the nursing home at risk. You clearly give zero phux about infecting others, but nursing homes have the responsibility to keep all their residents safe. So if someone is mentally capable of socializing with family members, they go right ahead and move out of the home and in with the family members. They cannot put every one of their neighbors at risk just because it is a risk they are ok with taking.

You're telling me it's impossible to keep nursing home residents, who have socialized with family members, isolated from those who choose not to (or are incapable of making that choice)?
 
I keep reading people complain that we "can't be on lock down forever". Can someone tell me when anywhere in the US was ever on lock down during this pandemic?

Note: I will not accept people who have tested positive being asked to quarantine as a lock down.

I suspect the term "lock down" is being used by people in a broad sense, to include things like limitations on the number of people in restaurants, etc...
 
I am not missing the mark on this one. What we are doing to elderly in nursing homes right now, people who are mentally capable of socializing with family members, will go down as one of the truly cruel acts that we have committed as a society. You've thrown these people in solitary confinement for no crime greater than being old.

They're perfectly free to leave those nursing homes to be with family. The same family who put them there, rather than care for them themselves.

Or you'd rather sonny be allowed to visit mom, and infect her, and how many others there with the Covfefe-19, which at that age is likely a death sentence.
 
You're telling me it's impossible to keep nursing home residents, who have socialized with family members, isolated from those who choose not to (or are incapable of making that choice)?

As we've seen over the past few months, apparently it is.

Have you not been paying attention?
 
They're perfectly free to leave those nursing homes to be with family. The same family who put them there, rather than care for them themselves.

Or you'd rather sonny be allowed to visit mom, and infect her, and how many others there with the Covfefe-19, which at that age is likely a death sentence.

I don't know where you are at, but where I live I don't think nursing home residents are free to leave the nursing home, spend the day with family, then return.
 
It's interesting to me that still to this day we have many folks who are just fine with people going around and infecting other people. Seems to me that that protecting us from that is the very thing the government is supposed to be doing.
 
It's interesting to me that still to this day we have many folks who are just fine with people going around and infecting other people. Seems to me that that protecting us from that is the very thing the government is supposed to be doing.

So what is the standard moving forward? We have never treated a contagious virus like this before.

When and if Covid goes away what is the threshold? Do old people who are sick deserve to die because they catch another virus that is not Covid?

Would love to learn what the thresholds are.

Also this idea that an individual’s health is dependent on every single person out there is complete hog wash. It is complete non-sense.

It puts the truly vulnerable in this case the elderly and sick at more risk because it creates the illusion that if “these parameters” are met whatever the flavor of the week is then we can all “be safe.” The reality is one’s health is always going to be best protected when an individual takes the necessary precautions for their situation.

Granny going to the super market with a cloth mask, in a city with an outbreak and a mask mandate isn’t going to help the most vulnerable one bit.

Read more Michael Olsterholm. He is apolitical and doesn’t give two sh*ts about anyone’s politics. You might start to learn something.
 
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What do you think a vaccine is for?

In an ideal scenario help reach herd immunity. Also, alleviate severe complications from a disease if one were to encounter it naturally.

both great things.

The point I am making here is that if a person who fights off a Covid Infection supposedly has no lasting immunity then a vaccine isn’t going to provide lasting immunity either.

At best it would be a booster, like the flu. Meaning we aren’t eradicating Covid and it is here to stay just like the flu vaccine doesn’t eradicate the flu every year.

The best chances of fighting Covid are being healthy, that is a fact.

I won’t be surprised one bit though if once a vaccine is approved that the information does point to lasting immunity of some sort for those who encounter a Covid infection and recover. Will see how that one plays out and I’ll be here to remind you.
 
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I don't know where you are at, but where I live I don't think nursing home residents are free to leave the nursing home, spend the day with family, then return.

Believe they are, but what I was saying is if being in the home is such a hardship to their social life, maybe they shouldn't be in the home, but staying with the family. All the social interaction and Covfefe they can handle.

Don't know what it is with you, but over the past few months, you've been plumbing Sicatoka levels of idiocy.
 
It's interesting to me that still to this day we have many folks who are just fine with people going around and infecting other people. Seems to me that that protecting us from that is the very thing the government is supposed to be doing.

Well, now you see why much of the country is in the position we are in today.

People in this country want to be able to do whatever they want to do, whenever they want to do it, and no one can say a damm thing about it. No matter the consequences their actions may have upon others. We are a nation of greedy, selfish f#cks.

But it's really no big deal. They'll just have the sniffles for a couple days, and then be fine.
 
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Shocking news. The dumbest man in Congress, and that's saying something when Matt Gaetz still holds office, Louis Gohmert, who has refused to wear a mask, has tested positive for the Covfefe-19.
 
Honestly, if a few extroverted chatterboxes get the sniffles because they have to talk to friends and family on the phone instead of in-person, then tough. I've dealt with worse situations in my life - grow some skin.
 
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