Covfefe-19 Part 9: Shelter In Place is Temporary, but Wu-Tang is Forever

[rufus]

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I understand that's the rule as presently implemented. But that was my question, what is the rationale for distinguishing between food and soda, versus alcohol?

It makes complete sense to me to have a rule that says a bar and restaurant can't serve food or alcohol to anyone in their premises, but if you want take out, fine. It also makes sense to include things like your parking lot or golf course in the description of the "premises."

Again, my question is, if you're going to make an exception to the rule prohibiting consumption on the premises (the golf course itself) for things like food and soda, what is the rationale for excluding alcohol?

Because food and soda don't have laws regulating where they can be consumed? Just maybe?

 

[SJHovey]

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Because food and soda don't have laws regulating where they can be consumed? Just maybe?

They certainly do now. No restaurant in Minnesota can sell any food or soda for consumption on the premises. That's Walz order.

 

[The Rube]

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I understand that's the rule as presently implemented. But that was my question, what is the rationale for distinguishing between food and soda, versus alcohol?

It makes complete sense to me to have a rule that says a bar and restaurant can't serve food or alcohol to anyone in their premises, but if you want take out, fine. It also makes sense to include things like your parking lot or golf course in the description of the "premises."

Again, my question is, if you're going to make an exception to the rule prohibiting consumption on the premises (the golf course itself) for things like food and soda, what is the rationale for excluding alcohol?

Because alcohol, for lack of a better term, is a controlled substance.

 

[rufus]

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They certainly do now. No restaurant in Minnesota can sell any food or soda for consumption on the premises. That's Walz order.

So you wanna cry about that now, too?

Any other pet grudges you wish to air today?

Or why don't you just be a man and grow up.

 

[SJHovey]

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Because alcohol, for lack of a better term, is a controlled substance.

Then why do they sell alcohol at all?

 

[The Rube]

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Then why do they sell alcohol at all?

So you can take it home. And to avoid the overload of DTs at hospitals if they didn't sell alcohol.

 

[SJHovey]

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So you wanna cry about that now, too?

Any other pet grudges you wish to air today?

Or why don't you just be a man and grow up.

I'm not objecting to the ban on consumption on the premises. I'm asking for the rationale for distinguishing between products.

I'll try it a different way.

Let's say his order said, you can sell hot dogs for take out, but not hamburgers. Would that make any sense? Not intuitively to me it wouldn't and it would cause me to ask for the rationale.

Same way here.

Walz order says, no food or alcohol for consumption on the premises.

For purposes of golf courses, the course itself is included in the definition of "premises" if we're talking about alcohol, but the course is not included in the definition of "premises" if we're talking about food or soda.

The rationale for that is what I'm looking for, but not finding from Rube or Rufus.

 

[Kepler]

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"Premises" as the term applies to liquor sales, and their applicable laws, means the actual establishment itself, the building. It doesn't mean the front lawn. Or the driveway. or the parking lot.

Again, this needs to be explained to you?

I always thought "premises" meant everything the establishment owned. i.e., the lawn is the premises but the sidewalk (city property) is not.

So if you're right this is news to me too.

 

[alfablue]

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I'm not objecting to the ban on consumption on the premises. I'm asking for the rationale for distinguishing between products.

I'll try it a different way.

Let's say his order said, you can sell hot dogs for take out, but not hamburgers. Would that make any sense? Not intuitively to me it wouldn't and it would cause me to ask for the rationale.

Same way here.

Walz order says, no food or alcohol for consumption on the premises.

For purposes of golf courses, the course itself is included in the definition of "premises" if we're talking about alcohol, but the course is not included in the definition of "premises" if we're talking about food or soda.

The rationale for that is what I'm looking for, but not finding from Rube or Rufus.

You can't be that dense. Alcohol is a controlled substance, which means very old rules govern where it can be legally consumed. Which I'm betting the rules say you can consume it at home or a legal establishment- aka bar. And the bar has defined limits- which at the moment- are off limits. Leaving only your home as the legal location where you are allowed to consume it.

Other states allow beer consumption on golf course, but states also have different rules when it comes to buying it in general, or mailing it across state lines.

The current state rules and adjustments don't change any of those rules. People have been dealing with those constraints for decades now, and are ok. Although the mailing across state lines and where you can get stuff is being challenged in court.

None of that has anything to do with the restrictions or the relaxation of said restrictions. IMHO, the ONLY reason I can buy a bottle of wine from a restaurant in MI is that a few years ago, the rules allowed for you to re-cork a bottle to take home if you didn't finish it. Which means that restaurants are legally allowed to sell wine for home use.

This isn't hard, and has been around for many decades. Why you associate it with COVID restrictions is beyond me.

 

[alfablue]

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I always thought "premises" meant everything the establishment owned. So, the lawn is the premises but the sidewalk (city property) is not. So this is news to me too.

Depends on the state laws. For a stand alone building, the parking lot also is part of the property they own, but it's not part of the legal location where you can consumer alcohol. And I'm sure it takes some special rules to allow specifically roped off areas to be part of that location- to include parts of the sidewalk.

 

[Kepler]

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Depends on the state laws. For a stand alone building, the parking lot also is part of the property they own, but it's not part of the legal location where you can consumer alcohol. And I'm sure it takes some special rules to allow specifically roped off areas to be part of that location- to include parts of the sidewalk.

Thanks.

My sole interest in these things has been "where can you sue me if you slip on ice?"

 

[SJHovey]

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You can't be that dense. Alcohol is a controlled substance, which means very old rules govern where it can be legally consumed. Which I'm betting the rules say you can consume it at home or a legal establishment- aka bar. And the bar has defined limits- which at the moment- are off limits. Leaving only your home as the legal location where you are allowed to consume it.

Other states allow beer consumption on golf course, but states also have different rules when it comes to buying it in general, or mailing it across state lines.

The current state rules and adjustments don't change any of those rules. People have been dealing with those constraints for decades now, and are ok. Although the mailing across state lines and where you can get stuff is being challenged in court.

None of that has anything to do with the restrictions or the relaxation of said restrictions. IMHO, the ONLY reason I can buy a bottle of wine from a restaurant in MI is that a few years ago, the rules allowed for you to re-cork a bottle to take home if you didn't finish it. Which means that restaurants are legally allowed to sell wine for home use.

This isn't hard, and has been around for many decades. Why you associate it with COVID restrictions is beyond me.

Maybe I didn't make myself clear. Prior to Covid, beer and alcohol was sold on the course itself since the course has been opened.

In other words, IT'S NOT A LICENSURE ISSUE. Beer and alcohol was sold on the course before Covid, and presumably it will be after Covid.

If we accept the idea that Covid requires us to prohibit on premises consumption of food and alcohol, first, why are golf courses permitted to make an exception to this if it's food or alcohol that will be consumed on the course, and second, assuming there is a good reason for that exception, why isn't the exception extended to alcohol?

 

[Kepler]

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It seems perfectly obvious to me that rules for substances which impair judgment should be different during times when lapses in judgment kill people.

I don't want a drunk anywhere within my zip code during a pandemic.

 

[aparch]

Maybe I didn't make myself clear. Prior to Covid, beer and alcohol was sold on the course itself since the course has been opened.

In other words, IT'S NOT A LICENSURE ISSUE. Beer and alcohol was sold on the course before Covid, and presumably it will be after Covid.

If we accept the idea that Covid requires us to prohibit on premises consumption of food and alcohol, first, why are golf courses permitted to make an exception to this if it's food or alcohol that will be consumed on the course, and second, assuming there is a good reason for that exception, why isn't the exception extended to alcohol?

My wild a** guess is it has to do with the lack of control of the consumption of alcohol. Under a normal day, if I go to the clubhouse, buy two long islands, golf nine, drive the cart back for another two long islands, go back out golfing, then the bartenders can limit me from trying to slam down a couple more after the back nine if I appear intoxicated.

Letting you onto the course with a Coleman cooler packed with Grain Belt with no limits now (again, my guess) creates a problem where the course could be liable if you injure yourself or others, or cause property damage.

But I'm probably wrong. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[SJHovey]

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My wild a** guess is it has to do with the lack of control of the consumption of alcohol. Under a normal day, if I go to the clubhouse, buy two long islands, golf nine, drive the cart back for another two long islands, go back out golfing, then the bartenders can limit me from trying to slam down a couple more after the back nine if I appear intoxicated.

Letting you onto the course with a Coleman cooler packed with Grain Belt with no limits now (again, my guess) creates a problem where the course could be liable if you injure yourself or others, or cause property damage.

But I'm probably wrong. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Yeah, but we're not even really talking about bringing alcohol onto this course. That's prohibited at this course, and always has been.

I just find it strange.

The course has a license to sell food and alcohol on its premises, and has done so out on the course for so long as the course has been around.

The Covid order initially said "no more sales" unless it was for consumption off the premises. But when the golf course opened up, apparently this requirement was removed, so long as the premises we're talking about is the course and not the clubhouse, AND so long as the product consumed is food or soda, but not alcohol. It is not like selling food or soda out the back door for consumption on the premises results in less Covid exposure than selling a beer out that same back door.

If it's all about people getting drunk, there are already laws in place that make illegal the sale to those obviously intoxicated, and the club still has to abide by that, Covid or no Covid.

 

[SJHovey]

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I don't recall ever not being able to bring beer with us onto the course we purchased from the clubhouse.

No, I think that's always been allowed, and that's my point. Under the Covid rules, I can buy soda and food at the clubhouse and take it out on the course, but not beer. That just seems weird to me.

 

[burd]

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Who's to say this isn't just an effort to elevate the ethics of the game. People who drink while playing are cheating bastrds.

 

[jerphisch]

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No, I think that's always been allowed, and that's my point. Under the Covid rules, I can buy soda and food at the clubhouse and take it out on the course, but not beer. That just seems weird to me.

You also find doing anything to prevent unnecessary deaths to be weird, so maybe it's just a you problem.

 

[rufus]

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Yeah, but we're not even really talking about bringing alcohol onto this course. That's prohibited at this course, and always has been.

I just find it strange.

The course has a license to sell food and alcohol on its premises, and has done so out on the course for so long as the course has been around.

The Covid order initially said "no more sales" unless it was for consumption off the premises. But when the golf course opened up, apparently this requirement was removed, so long as the premises we're talking about is the course and not the clubhouse, AND so long as the product consumed is food or soda, but not alcohol. It is not like selling food or soda out the back door for consumption on the premises results in less Covid exposure than selling a beer out that same back door.

If it's all about people getting drunk, there are already laws in place that make illegal the sale to those obviously intoxicated, and the club still has to abide by that, Covid or no Covid.

Were you able to buy beer at the clubhouse before, and take it out on to the course with you? I'm assuming no. So now you're whining that you can't do what you couldn't do before, because reasons....................?

Why would you want to buy an overpriced clubhouse beer anyway? Just buy a 12 pack at the packie and stash it with your golf stuff like you used to do.

 

[rufus]

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I always thought "premises" meant everything the establishment owned. i.e., the lawn is the premises but the sidewalk (city property) is not.

So if you're right this is news to me too.

No. Like I said, you can't buy a beer at the bar and then go stand around with your buddies outside the front door drinking it. You can't take it outside the building with you, unless it's a designated beer garden, or patio dining spot, or something. All this stuff is part of the establishment's liquor license.