Covfefe-19 - Part 4- Stay the **** Home

[Handyman]

Re: Covfefe-19 - Part 4- Stay the **** Home

How long could Dems reasonably be expected to hold up this bill before they risked significant public backlash?

They had to agree to something.

No they didnt. And they are going to catch even more hell in a few months when people are still broke and realize the Dems sold them out for a cheap headline.

This bill does nothing to fix any of the issues outside of unemployment.

The Dems suck at playing the long game because they lack the balls to fight for what they believe in. A one time payment that is apparently taxed...meanwhile business gets bailed out again.

This isnt the Fed Reserve doing their job...this is a bailout doomed to fail while people go broke. The Recession will still stay in place, inflation is going to run rampant and the market will tank. We just never learn...

One bright side is the GOP voters seem more ****ed off than the Dem voters.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

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A bunch of euro countries are covering Salaries and suspending rent and mortgage and we get this. Yay.

Oh, I forgot. As Lindsay says that kind of help will encourage people to just never go back to work right

 

[Handyman]

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Dems have corporate bribers, er, donors too.

Yeah. Well they should remember that their donors are less voters than the Poor...and you just screwed over the poor big time.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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A bunch of euro countries are covering Salaries and suspending rent and mortgage and we get this. Yay.

Oh, I forgot. As Lindsay says that kind of help will encourage people to just never go back to work right

Correct and
Correct.

 

[Handyman]

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They could have offered their own bill.

They never even walked away from the table in any meaningful capacity. Schumer spent days fellating those working on the plan telling us how close they were. The guy couldnt negotiate bedtime with his grandkids let alone should he be in charge of negotiating this.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">New York governor says Senate stimulus bill would be "terrible" for the state - <a href="https://t.co/9AkEwRr3t9">https://t.co/9AkEwRr3t9</a></p>— Rifnote News Aggregates (@rifnote) <a href="https://twitter.com/rifnote/status/1242887439133351936?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Kepler]

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No they didnt. And they are going to catch even more hell in a few months when people are still broke and realize the Dems sold them out for a cheap headline.

This bill does nothing to fix any of the issues outside of unemployment.

The Dems suck at playing the long game because they lack the balls to fight for what they believe in. A one time payment that is apparently taxed...meanwhile business gets bailed out again.

This isnt the Fed Reserve doing their job...this is a bailout doomed to fail while people go broke. The Recession will still stay in place, inflation is going to run rampant and the market will tank. We just never learn...

One bright side is the GOP voters seem more ****ed off than the Dem voters.

How is inflation going to run rampant when nobody is buying anything?

I agree this is a cough blow job cough eat me cough bill, but I don't see this leading to inflation. The slowdown might actually kick in deflation --> more unemployment --> slower economy; the bette noir Greenspan thought he'd cured so we would never have another Depression again.

<img src="https://i.ytimg.com/vi/WSB7QpldGTQ/hqdefault.jpg" >

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Hmmm. Good results

https://pubpeer.com/publications/B4044A446F35DF81789F6F20F8E0EE#10

I think you should read the comments on that page and the published article, which only took 24 hours... One of the comments:

I already left many comments in the PubPeer post connected to the preprint version (link in comment #3), but I will repeat my comments specific for this peer-reviewed version here.

The paper was submitted on March 16, and accepted on March 17. This seems impossibly fast. As obvious from the long lists of comments on the preprint version, a thorough peer review process might have been able to find several important concerns with this paper. Thorough peer review is simply not possible within 24h. Indeed, the paper appears to have been published virtually unchanged from the preprint version.

One of the authors on this paper is also the Editor in Chief of the journal in which the paper was accepted, i.e. the International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents. This might be perceived as a huge conflict of interest, in particular in combination with the peer review process of less than 24h.

This also seems important:

So 4 of the 26 treated patients were actually not recovering well. It seems a bit strange to leave these 4 patients who got worse or who died out of the study, just on the basis that they stopped taking the medication (which is pretty difficult once the patient is dead).

Could the authors please clarify, why they left out these patients who did not do well on this treatment?

Exceptionally poor design of a trial: Irrelevant choice of end point. How will an earlier negative swab translate into a reduced transmission rate if the shedding occurs while in the pre-symptomatic phase? How will this help the people who need treatment most - those with respiratory failure due to severe disease? Studies need to focus on significantly modifying survival in those with the most severe disease - not excluding the patients that go on to ITU.

To follow up the question above, how certain the authors are the negative results they have got are actually negative but not the false negative? This control group seemingly have high false negative results. Have you considered validating the PCR tests?

Then there's these from the top rope:

Adding to the many issues already raised: The preregistration of the study defines "Day 1, Day 4, Day 7 and Day 14" as timepoints of endpoint evaluation. Yet the major result in this paper is the viral load on day 6. This looks like an issue of outcome switching.

And one last question: Why are the 6 patients of the treatment arms not counted? Especially the 3 that went to ICU, the one who stopped the treatment because of worsening conditions and the one who died?
My data sure looks better if I forget about people who died or who had their conditions worsening.

 

[JF_Gophers]

No they didnt. And they are going to catch even more hell in a few months when people are still broke and realize the Dems sold them out for a cheap headline.

This bill does nothing to fix any of the issues outside of unemployment.

The Dems suck at playing the long game because they lack the balls to fight for what they believe in. A one time payment that is apparently taxed...meanwhile business gets bailed out again.

This isnt the Fed Reserve doing their job...this is a bailout doomed to fail while people go broke. The Recession will still stay in place, inflation is going to run rampant and the market will tank. We just never learn...

One bright side is the GOP voters seem more ****ed off than the Dem voters.

Sorry, but you're wrong if you think they could of just said we arent agreeing to any more crisis bills until xyz is in.

A couple weeks maybe that works. But as this gets worse they were never going to be able to win that stand off.

 

[Handyman]

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A bunch of euro countries are covering Salaries and suspending rent and mortgage and we get this. Yay.

Oh, I forgot. As Lindsay says that kind of help will encourage people to just never go back to work right

I give it 2 weeks before the Dems jump on the "we need to get back to work" bandwagon. Bunch of chicken****s. Thankfully Minnesota can handle this for now...we actually know how to manage money.

When does the House deal with this piece of crap?

 

[Kepler]

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I give it 2 weeks before the Dems jump on the "we need to get back to work" bandwagon.

The Wall Street ones (Schumer, Booker, Gillibrand) may. Not the rest. Not after they are briefed about what the death rates will look like if we play the Die for Wells Fargo and Jared Kushner game.

 

[Kepler]

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https://politics.theonion.com/trump-suggests-ceding-new-york-to-coronavirus-as-possib-1842477073

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here's a gem for the union bosses on page 524. If a medium size business (500 to 10,000 employees) takes the Treasury loan, they can't oppose any union organizing effort. <a href="https://t.co/XJyIfy2Jvl">pic.twitter.com/XJyIfy2Jvl</a></p>— Phil Kerpen (@kerpen) <a href="https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/1242872369628229643?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Handyman]

Re: Covfefe-19 - Part 4- Stay the **** Home

Sorry, but you're wrong if you think they could of just said we arent agreeing to any more crisis bills until xyz is in.

A couple weeks maybe that works. But as this gets worse they were never going to be able to win that stand off.

Why? Because you say so? They never even try they quit before even challenged. You say "a couple weeks" they barely lasted a couple of days. They gave in on LITERALLY EVERYTHING! What did they get?

They didnt even compromise, they just said "screw it we cant win so why play".

The negatives they would have dealt with in the short term are going to pale in comparison to what they will see in the long term. This crap will follow them all the way to November, and again, they take away one of the big talking points because they now handed the GOP untaxed billions to give away. Meanwhile my gf who cant work because she is on medical leave gets a one time check that wont even cover all of our bills. If I wasnt still able to work (teaching online) we would be screwed.

You assume everyone is misinformed or doesnt understand...the key to a Dem victory in the fall is the suburbs. And if the pandemic extends past May it will be in bright lights for everyone to see "We got screwed so United Airlines and a bunch of other corporations wouldnt go under".

 

[Handyman]

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How is inflation going to run rampant when nobody is buying anything?

I agree this is a cough blow job cough eat me cough bill, but I don't see this leading to inflation. The slowdown might actually kick in deflation --> more unemployment --> slower economy; the bette noir Greenspan thought he'd cured so we would never have another Depression again.

<img src="https://i.ytimg.com/vi/WSB7QpldGTQ/hqdefault.jpg" >

That was actually what I meant. I sometimes type behind the thoughts in my head and it jumbles up sentences. Causes me to stutter too which annoys the heck out of me. :/

A+ reference

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Why? Because you say so? They never even try they quit before even challenged. You say "a couple weeks" they barely lasted a couple of days. They gave in on LITERALLY EVERYTHING! What did they get?

They didnt even compromise, they just said "screw it we cant win so why play".

The negatives they would have dealt with in the short term are going to pale in comparison to what they will see in the long term. This crap will follow them all the way to November, and again, they take away one of the big talking points because they now handed the GOP untaxed billions to give away. Meanwhile my gf who cant work because she is on medical leave gets a one time check that wont even cover all of our bills. If I wasnt still able to work (teaching online) we would be screwed.

You assume everyone is misinformed or doesnt understand...the key to a Dem victory in the fall is the suburbs. And if the pandemic extends past May it will be in bright lights for everyone to see "We got screwed so United Airlines and a bunch of other corporations wouldnt go under".

I have no doubt they got things. The problem isn't that. The problem is the Democrats always start in the middle and the Republicans always start in the extreme. So, you ALWAYS end up with a Republican bill. Always. It never fails.

 

[Handyman]

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here's a gem for the union bosses on page 524. If a medium size business (500 to 10,000 employees) takes the Treasury loan, they can't oppose any union organizing effort. <a href="https://t.co/XJyIfy2Jvl">pic.twitter.com/XJyIfy2Jvl</a></p>— Phil Kerpen (@kerpen) <a href="https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/1242872369628229643?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<img src="https://i.ytimg.com/vi/tsYDRHc_ISA/hqdefault.jpg" />

Well we know the unions "get out the vote" for the Dems so that helps

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

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Walz plan looks good. If only every state could have a guy like this

 

[Handyman]

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I think you should read the comments on that page and the published article, which only took 24 hours... One of the comments:


This also seems important:






Then there's these from the top rope:

<img src="https://thumbs.gfycat.com/WellgroomedBaggyAmericanblackvulture-size_restricted.gif" />

Forget it he is rolling...

This is the crap the Right is peddling now though. They are rolling out the Standford Doc and his "well I guessed China right!" crap and these drugs as cures. All real facts shout down this crap but they ignore it cause God would never kill his flock.

 

[JF_Gophers]

I have no doubt they got things. The problem isn't that. The problem is the Democrats always start in the middle and the Republicans always start in the extreme. So, you ALWAYS end up with a Republican bill. Always. It never fails.

likely what they got was the business bailout transparency and no bailout to the presidents businesses.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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likely what they got was the business bailout transparency and no bailout to the presidents businesses.

Oh goody.