Cops 8: I Am Out Of Here...

[J.D.]

So for people who are justifying rioting as understandable or the only recourse these individuals have, aren't you saying in effect that people like Ghandi and MLK Jr were full of sh !t with their words about non violent protest? No offense but I'm not sure white privileged posters in this message board are superior to those men in their knowledge of civil disobedience and the rights of the oppressed. Food for thought as violence always begets violence and turns off the very people who might be sympathetic to the cause.

Totally agree.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

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So for people who are justifying rioting as understandable or the only recourse these individuals have, aren't you saying in effect that people like Ghandi and MLK Jr were full of sh !t with their words about non violent protest? No offense but I'm not sure white privileged posters in this message board are superior to those men in their knowledge of civil disobedience and the rights of the oppressed. Food for thought as violence always begets violence and turns off the very people who might be sympathetic to the cause.

I would note that "civil disobedience" would be something like peacefully protesting BEYOND the 8:00 p.m. curfew in Minneapolis and some posters here thought they should have just gone home. I would also note that someone can think MLK Jr. or Ghandi could be wrong or mistaken about some things but not be full of 5h!t.

 

[Handyman]

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And I dont think anyone in here is condoning anything. I think some people understand it though when put into context. Those are two very different attitudes.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

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I also am having a hard time figuring out why some people equate understanding why these riots seem inevitable makes some believe that is the same as encouraging them. One of the things MLK was famous for saying was that this type of violence was the voice of the unheard. Was he full of 5h!t for noting that? I know why my team gives up a goal sometimes when I see forwards fail to get back and help defend. I understand why it happened and sometimes see it as inevitable. Doesn't mean I like it or encourage it.

 

[burd]

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So for people who are justifying rioting as understandable or the only recourse these individuals have, aren't you saying in effect that people like Ghandi and MLK Jr were full of sh !t with their words about non violent protest? No offense but I'm not sure white privileged posters in this message board are superior to those men in their knowledge of civil disobedience and the rights of the oppressed. Food for thought as violence always begets violence and turns off the very people who might be sympathetic to the cause.

Blatant oversimplification, Rover. Was Malcom X (and all who supported him) a waste of oxygen?

 

[rufus]

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So for people who are justifying rioting as understandable or the only recourse these individuals have, aren't you saying in effect that people like Ghandi and MLK Jr were full of sh !t with their words about non violent protest? No offense but I'm not sure white privileged posters in this message board are superior to those men in their knowledge of civil disobedience and the rights of the oppressed. Food for thought as violence always begets violence and turns off the very people who might be sympathetic to the cause.

Ummmm, who here is justifying rioting?

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Maybe you took him too literally. And he get's called out constantly. Look at some of the exchanges between Kep and Handy, or Kep and Rover. I think what might have set off a few people in this particular thread is some of your posts came off as thinking there are simplistic answers to all of this when that's not necessarily true. I shouldn't go around speaking for anyone else though since I have my hands full speaking for myself. Just my opinion.

Plenty of people disagree with Kep. Heck his go-to insult is always “no one cares what you think, you’re irrelevant” to everyone outside his bubble, like a petulant teen.

 

[J.D.]

And I dont think anyone in here is condoning anything.

This is a head scratcher since I have been saying I don't condone it. I haven't said I don't understand the anger. Of course I do. Black people have every right to be upset.

And are you sure Kepler doesn't condone the rioting? Because I think he does based on what he has said. But hey maybe he was joking. If that's the case at least now I know that nobody in here condones the rioting.

 

[Rover]

Blatant oversimplification, Rover. Was Malcom X (and all who supported him) a waste of oxygen?

Seeing as Malcolm X backed away from violence at the end of his life I'm not sure he's helping you make your point.

 

[Rover]

I would note that "civil disobedience" would be something like peacefully protesting BEYOND the 8:00 p.m. curfew in Minneapolis and some posters here thought they should have just gone home. I would also note that someone can think MLK Jr. or Ghandi could be wrong or mistaken about some things but not be full of 5h!t.

Please give us examples related to this subject where you disagree with those two individuals and find them to be wrong.

 

[rufus]

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Please give us examples related to this subject where you disagree with those two individuals and find them to be wrong.

Please give us examples here of posters condoning rioting.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

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Please give us examples related to this subject where you disagree with those two individuals and find them to be wrong.

Learn to read. I never said I disagree with something they said, I said someone could and not be full of it. I don't know everything Ghandi or King said or believed throughout their lives anyway. Nobody agrees with everything anybody else says or thinks so it is almost certain that there was some thought expressed by both that I might find hard to swallow. As much as anyone on here, you seem to WANT to provoke and attack. You are in many ways more tiresome than Old Pio was even though you and I actually agree on more than we disagree more than likely. It's why I very rarely engage with you since the 2016 election.

 

[Handyman]

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Sure. But as long as they're being peaceful, they shouldn't be met with tear gas and rubber bullets. Even if they are past curfew.

Change isn't gonna happen if you keep kowtowing to those in charge, and honoring a curfew just because they say you have to.

I never said they should honor the curfew...but they knew by breaking it they were going to meet force. That is why they did it. They got exactly what they set out for. That is why I am not as outraged about it as I am sure MSNBC was. I am not upset with the peaceful protest, or the fact that they stayed out past curfew...but I am not going to pretend it is some tragedy that they got gassed when they were explicitly told by the State, the City, the County, the National Guard and their own civic leaders this is what would happen if they broke the curfew last night.

I am proud of them for knowing the consequences and still fighting for what is right. I am proud of the fact that when met with force they didnt fight back and make things ten times worse. They made their point the exact way they wanted to.

And I see no evidence that Kepler wants rioting. Kepler seems more of the "let them do what they think is right it isnt my place cause I am a white Bougie it wont affect my life anyways" type of guy. The problem with him is he has very little tact and gives zero phucks how he words things.

 

[J.D.]

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I did ask this before but are we concerned about COVID spread during these protests. Haven't really seen much on that but it should still apply no matter what the cause is.

 

[state of hockey]

I did ask this before but are we concerned about COVID spread during these protests. Haven't really seen much on that but it should still apply no matter what the cause is.

I'm fully expecting a bump in a week or two. Real shame it will hit the already reeling communities hardest.

 

[Handyman]

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It's possible the police fear this time it will be different. They may be coming to grips with a reckoning that we haven't seen previously, so they are even more scared. Frankly, they should be. One of the reasons we have seen them use the restraint that would have served them so well had they exercised it with regularity is they know -- to coin a phrase that might sound corny -- "The whole world is watching." No one was there in 1967 to film the Detroit police when they were brutalizing protesters and summarily executing some. If that happens now it will be seen almost immediately in every corner of the world. I also believe if that happened in the last couple of days or happens in the next couple, it will light a match to a fuse that might actually cause some cities to burn to the ground.

More likely it is just the fact that MPD sucks, has always sucked and is protect by a union leadership that is a bunch of racist weasels. Throw in the Small Dick State Patrol and it is not a good combo.

The rioting showed the entire world exactly what a lot of us wanted to be seen...how screwed up the MPD is. It is nothing new either.

 

[jerphisch]

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I give up. Some of you are just ****ing impossible. But it's a good reminder on why we can't accomplish a god **** thing in this country.

History has demonstrated that peaceful protests have accomplished absolutely nothing. If you think they are the answer you have a profound misunderstanding of the problem.

 

[Handyman]

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I'm fully expecting a bump in a week or two. Real shame it will hit the already reeling communities hardest.

Yeah...and it isnt like our numbers had dropped off that much anyways so yeah this is not going to help.

 

[Drew S.]

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Just saw Chertoff on CNN and he said his sources say it’s both extremists on the left and right who are doing the rioting bit. I think the police want to use that as an excuse to shut down the protests. Hopefully they aren’t successful.

I’m not sure what coverage JD has been watching but in what I have seen there is a lot of concern about Covid. I’ve ever seen some protesters say this is so important they are completely fine risking their health.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

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More likely it is just the fact that MPD sucks, has always sucked and is protect by a union leadership that is a bunch of racist weasels. Throw in the Small Dick State Patrol and it is not a good combo.

The rioting showed the entire world exactly what a lot of us wanted to be seen...how screwed up the MPD is. It is nothing new either.

Some talking head had on some former high ranking police official. He noted that a number of other high ranking police officers (chiefs and sheriffs mostly) were forcefully condemning the actions of the Minneapolis cops but lamenting that he was seeing neither rank-and-file cops or the police unions coming forward to finally condemn killer cops. To me the entire key to reforming police departments is in the hands of current police officers and their unions. If all the good cops we are repeatedly told are out there really are good cops, they need to finally, once and for all, step up. Had we seen a viral video that would have shown one of those other cops -- or better yet all three of them -- pull Chauvin off George Floyd when it was clear he was in some difficulty, none of what we have seen in the last week would have happened. None of it. All it would have taken was for 3 lousy cops to be the good cops that are supposedly all over the place. Yet 100% of the cops there were bad cops. If there was ever a time in our nation for the police to step up and lead by example, it is now. In some ways it might mean the difference between their own life or death.