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Cops 8: I Am Out Of Here...

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KSTP (Ch5) just reported that community/protest leaders are STRESSING that "If you are out after 8pm tonight, you are NOT with us."
 
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Kepler said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoy4_h7Pb3M

I think that is a good community strategy, and I understand local religious or political figures may be "leaders," but I don't think there are any "protest leaders." The whole point is it was organic and spontaneous.
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Protest organizers? It wasn't like a bunch of people just showed up and asked "What are you here for?" "To protest." "Oh, hey, me, too! What a coincidence!" ;) A few people said, "Hey, we're gonna protest, join us." And so others did.
 
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The Rube said:
Protest organizers? It wasn't like a bunch of people just showed up and asked "What are you here for?" "To protest." "Oh, hey, me, too! What a coincidence!" ;) A few people said, "Hey, we're gonna protest, join us." And so others did.
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A lot of people, though. And also first does not equal in authority. If somebody says "let's protest" when the mood is right, then saying "now let's not protest" is just not effective.

The leaders in your example were saying what everybody was thinking.

As for the distinction between violence and non-violence, that makes sense to us because we are served by the system. We can get recourse under the rules. But if the law and law enforcement is set up to ignore you then "don't be violent" means "just shut up and take it." And people do, for decades, until one day they look at their kids, and then they don't.
 
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Kepler said:
A lot of people, though. And also first does not equal in authority. If somebody says "let's protest" when the mood is right, then saying "now let's not protest" is just not effective.

The leaders in your example were saying what everybody was thinking.

As for the distinction between violence and non-violence, that makes sense to us because we are served by the system. We can get recourse under the rules. But if the law and law enforcement is set up to ignore you then "don't be violent" means "just shut up and take it." And people do, for decades, until one day they look at their kids, and then they don't.
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We'll find out the bolded part tonight, I guess.
 
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The Rube said:
If you are breaking the law, and are arrested, you cede certain things, and information on ties to extremist organizations, whether it be White Nationalists or Antifa*, is one of those things.
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Fark that. You have the right to remain silent. You don't have to tell cops jack ****.
 
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unofan said:
Fark that. You have the right to remain silent. You don't have to tell cops jack ****.
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You are correct, you don't. But they know your name and can investigate your public social media accounts, where they might find those ties....private messaging might fall under something different (emails and such).
 
The Rube said:
You are correct, you don't. But they know your name and can investigate your public social media accounts, where they might find those ties....private messaging might fall under something different (emails and such).
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And that is wrong. That leads to finding a crime to fit the criminal after the fact.
 
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Handyman said:
And that is wrong. That leads to finding a crime to fit the criminal after the fact.
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No. You are still busted for the original crime. However, it could add circumstances. Terrorist act? Hate crime? Lone wolf? Maybe even mental state/illness? If it's a public social media account/blog/whatever, that's fair game. Emails, DMs, PMs, however you want to classify those, those are different.
 
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KSTP just showed footage of the Natl Guard convoy heading to downtown. I'm mad I missed it. They were taking 394E into the city. That is a rat's dcik hair north of my place. Seeing that convoy would have been an impressive sight to see.
 
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The Rube said:
No. You are still busted for the original crime. However, it could add circumstances. Terrorist act? Hate crime? Lone wolf? Maybe even mental state/illness? If it's a public social media account/blog/whatever, that's fair game. Emails, DMs, PMs, however you want to classify those, those are different.
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And if you didnt commit the original act? What if you werent doing anything bad (broke curfew) at all but at some point in your past you sent out incendiary tweets saying you wanted to burn the city to the ground? what if you reformed?

Sorry but I think you are getting into a very very bad area.
 
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Handyman said:
And if you didnt commit the original act? What if you werent doing anything bad (broke curfew) at all but at some point in your past you sent out incendiary tweets saying you wanted to burn the city to the ground? what if you reformed?

Sorry but I think you are getting into a very very bad area.
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I think I have said this before, but I am very glad Rube doesn't have a say in criminal procedure.
 
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Handyman said:
And if you didnt commit the original act? What if you werent doing anything bad (broke curfew) at all but at some point in your past you sent out incendiary tweets saying you wanted to burn the city to the ground? what if you reformed?

Sorry but I think you are getting into a very very bad area.
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If it was in the past, and you have since reformed, pretty sure that would show up in recent entries on your media, and taken into account. It's all about context. If one said "I hate n*s" 10 years ago, but then was shown to have joined BLM, and NAACP, helping out in social programs, etc since then...guess what? That one remark from 10 years ago won't matter.
 
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Yeah well I think we have proven over the years that law enforcement isnt very good with context...

And I am saying this to you here because I am going to honor Jupiter's rules (and I ask you to not say anything if they find it on their own so be it) the people on GPL now saying Carter and Frey lied about the numbers are twisting the narrative. I am not going back to that board and I will not discuss it with any of them anyways if I ever do once sports comes back.
 
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Chicago and LA heating up
 
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Bus driver trapped in la and it’s not even 3. LA could melt down tonight
 
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