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Cops 6: The More You Pay, The Faster We'll Come!

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WeAreNDHockey said:
Yeah, right. Her neighbor was being a good guy by calling the police and "accusing" this poor woman of possibly being in danger because it wasn't common for her to leave her door open late at night. Good God. Words fvcking matter. I assume English is your mother tongue and I'm not the one who needs to learn what words mean.
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And I've already stated my opinion on this issue, if you read back a little. I also assume English is your mother tongue and you have the ability to comprehend.
 
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WeAreNDHockey said:
And you keep digging. And that's really it. Be well, everyone.
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Have I said it was right? No I have not. Can you understand basic terminology? I have said that the person involved was "accused." That's it.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Wrong. That’s some bull**** you pulled out of thin air.
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No, it is not. I can call right now, and accuse you of some domestic crap on your wonderful fiancee. I can claim I heard about things happening where I think a disturbance is at hand. At that point, you are accused. You are not a suspect, you are not charged, you are simply accused. Nothing more, nothing less. IF they find reason (which they wouldn't, but bear with me) to look further, THEN you MAY become a person of interest or a suspect. Until then, you are only accused.
 
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The Rube said:
Once a call is made on a person, that person is "the accused." It's not a legal term, it's just "the accused." That's it.
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It's very poor word choice. Yes, Dr. Mrs. "accuses" me of not doing her laundry on delicate, but, when the situation involves police, "accused" is a term of art meaning you've been charged with a crime.
 
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Kepler said:
It's very poor word choice. Yes, Dr. Mrs. "accuses" me of not doing her laundry on delicate, but, when the situation involves police, "accused" is a term of art meaning you've been charged with a crime.
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You have not been charged. You are simply accused. Once you are charged, you are charged. If they deem you more than "well, here's a hunch" (for lack of a better word) then you are a person of interest.
 
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A person being charged is a serious thing, there are time limits (for holding a person) after they are charged, etc. This is a very distinct difference.
 
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The Rube said:
You have not been charged. You are simply accused. Once you are charged, you are charged. If they deem you more than "well, here's a hunch" (for lack of a better word) then you are a person of interest.
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Crap. You're right. I learned something new today, just in under the wire (11:31).

"The boss accused John of theft and called the police. The police arrested John and charged him with theft."

An accusation comes first, a charge is the formal process of announcing that you think the person was responsible for the crime (and needs to be brought before a court for the case to be heard.

Say you are accused of murder. You have not been proven as the murdered, but if you were, you would be charged with murder.

Hope this helps.

Jeff Williams, Lead Professor Of Criminal Justice At Stanford University.
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The Rube said:
Wrong. You can be arrested, but not charged, and there is a holding time where they have to charge you, or set you free.
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Ah yes. Because Brent is right, given his long history in law, compared to Cornell Law, who doesn’t know a goddam thing.

The problem is, once the state accuses you of a crime, you have certain rights. She never was accused of anything.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Ah yes. Because Brent is right, given his long history in law, compared to Cornell Law, who doesn’t know a goddam thing.

The problem is, once the state accuses you of a crime, you have certain rights. She never was accused of anything.
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Nazis or something, since dx will never admit he's wrong. :D
 
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It's gets better, with the Norwegians in on it.

Once investigations for a case are completed, the prosecuting authority files charges when it believes that the person charged should be tried for the actions he is charged for. At that time, the person is given the status of accused in the case.
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So we have Cornell and Norway vs Stanford. I graduated from Cornell and Stanford and am a quarter Norwegian, so I recuse myself from judging.
 
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Kepler said:
It's gets better, with the Norwegians in on it.



So we have Cornell and Norway vs Stanford. I graduated from Cornell and Stanford and am a quarter Norwegian, so I recuse myself from judging.
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Then, if you go deeper, what charge is applied? What is the best chance for prosecution? Manslaughter? Murder in WHAT degree? That is also one big can of worms.....
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Ah yes. Because Brent is right, given his long history in law, compared to Cornell Law, who doesn’t know a goddam thing.

The problem is, once the state accuses you of a crime, you have certain rights. She never was accused of anything.
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You can be accused, but not charged, but you cannot be charged without being accused.
 
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state of hockey said:
Is the difference here between being accused and being THE accused?
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That's where it gets tricky. Usually, in journalism, charges are brought for THE accused. If one is just accused, charges are not brought, or are pending (they are thinking about charges, but nothing formal has been brought).]
Edit: see: the Star Trib's policy of not naming suspects until charged.
 
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The Rube said:
No, it is not. I can call right now, and accuse you of some domestic crap on your wonderful fiancee. I can claim I heard about things happening where I think a disturbance is at hand. At that point, you are accused. You are not a suspect, you are not charged, you are simply accused. Nothing more, nothing less. IF they find reason (which they wouldn't, but bear with me) to look further, THEN you MAY become a person of interest or a suspect. Until then, you are only accused.
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All of your examples include the action of accusation.

In the real life event, it was a call for a welfare check. No accusation involved.
 
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