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Cops 4: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly

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It's dam hard for anyone to be completely impartial, even if they try. Confirmation bias and other forms of unintentional bias are both very strong (and deeply seated) and difficult to self-assess. When we are asked if we can be impartial, biases have often already cut that question off at the pass and contaminated the answer.

That's not to say we are defenseless. Awareness of how biases are created and function certainly goes a long way toward impartiality.
 
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burd said:
It's dam hard for anyone to be completely impartial, even if they try. Confirmation bias and other forms of unintentional bias are both very strong (and deeply seated) and difficult to self-assess. When we are asked if we can be impartial, biases have often already cut that question off at the pass and contaminated the answer.

That's not to say we are defenseless. Awareness of how biases are created and function certainly goes a long way toward impartiality.
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This is an excellent site to browse for some of the many ways we are all unconsciously biased or otherwise cognitively impaired. Self-awareness is our best mitigation.

Here is an example.
 
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Kepler said:
This is an excellent site to browse for some of the many ways we are all unconsciously biased or otherwise cognitively impaired. Self-awareness is our best mitigation.

Here is an example.
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I forgot about this site thanks for posting it! I remember reading the one about procrastination back in 2010 and it really resonated with me but couldn't remember what site I found it on. This site is great though and there are so many people who really don't understand these biases and just think they're completely immune to them (see former GPL poster who thought Delmon Young was elite and constantly ranted about sabermetrics despite having zero understanding of them).
 
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trixR4kids said:
I forgot about this site thanks for posting it! I remember reading the one about procrastination back in 2010 and it really resonated with me but couldn't remember what site I found it on. This site is great though and there are so many people who really don't understand these biases and just think they're completely immune to them (see former GPL poster who thought Delmon Young was elite and constantly ranted about sabermetrics despite having zero understanding of them).
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J22?

Oh, wait, you said former.

Kepler said:
I've always meant to read that.
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I'll read it tomorrow.
 
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Even in the white picket fence area where I live, officers always stay back by the doorpost--never just walk up to the side of the open window.
 
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Pretty sickening. He shows no fear or caution whatsoever as he approaches the window. Somewhere right after the 5:55 mark he kind of jumps in response to something, but he was pulling his gun even before that. Anyone know what the defense's theory was on what triggered his fear in that time frame? ("Triggered" is probably a poor choice of words.)

Little boy struggles out of the car afterward. DAM.
 
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That's manslaughter. What did that jury have to see hat combined them otherwise?

Good lord. There was no control.
 
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Please all of you who offer nothing but knee-jerk excuses and apologies for police officers who kill people, take a hand at defending the hiring and training practices that give us the likes of Jeronimo Yanez. These are the kinds of people you give a badge and a gun and fairly free rein to use it? I don't care if Castille's hand was on his firearm, that alone does not deserve an execution. Dear God if that's the best we can do, get rid of the cops and let me take my chances. Besides, when seconds count the police are only minutes away from me.

I had no idea that was how this particular shooting played out. That is truly heart breaking and disgusting. It's really getting impossible for me to have any sympathy at all for cops. I find it hard to believe anybody would want to partner with someone so nervous and trigger happy. It isn't hard for me to imagine a cop like that, who so obviously never should have been given a badge, shooting a fellow cop. Especially if the second cop was also poorly trained, reacted improperly and for some reason put himself in the way. Maybe that would affect some much needed change, though.

Try this scenario. Say you're a civilian. A car in front of you backs up and strikes your car. Doesn't appear to be anything intentional you think, just a distracted driver who maybe didn't notice you were parked behind him. You walk up to his window to exchange insurance info and what not. You happen to be carrying a firearm, legally, just because you almost always do. You get up to the guy's window and notice he has a gun. Well, this is a potentially odd situation, after all he just backed into you, so now you're heart is racing a little bit more. In a matter of just a few seconds you -- for some reason known only to you -- decide that gun you see is a threat, so to protect your life, you pull your own weapon and fire 7 shots through his window, striking him fatally and endangering the lives of his passenger and a completely innocent little kid in the backseat. You think you're gonna walk away with an acquittal? You think you could say that you deserve the benefit of the doubt because you did not get all that training in how to use your weapon and how to control a situation and how to de-escalate potential threats? Do you think a judge is going to find reason to intruct your jury in such a way as to almost guarantee either a not guilty verdict or a hung jury? Yeah, I didn't think so either.
 
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WeAreNDHockey said:
Try this scenario. Say you're a civilian. A car in front of you backs up and strikes your car. Doesn't appear to be anything intentional you think, just a distracted driver who maybe didn't notice you were parked behind him. You walk up to his window to exchange insurance info and what not. You happen to be carrying a firearm, legally, just because you almost always do. You get up to the guy's window and notice he has a gun. Well, this is a potentially odd situation, after all he just backed into you, so now you're heart is racing a little bit more. In a matter of just a few seconds you -- for some reason known only to you -- decide that gun you see is a threat, so to protect your life, you pull your own weapon and fire 7 shots through his window, striking him fatally and endangering the lives of his passenger and a completely innocent little kid in the backseat. You think you're gonna walk away with an acquittal? You think you could say that you deserve the benefit of the doubt because you did not get all that training in how to use your weapon and how to control a situation and how to de-escalate potential threats? Do you think a judge is going to find reason to intruct your jury in such a way as to almost guarantee either a not guilty verdict or a hung jury? Yeah, I didn't think so either.
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Where are you getting your information regarding the jury instructions that were used in this or similar cases. Has that been published in this case?
 
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No...he is just spouting off. I havent heard anything about the judge instructing in any way that would benefit the defense over the prosecution.
 
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Handyman said:
No...he is just spouting off. I havent heard anything about the judge instructing in any way that would benefit the defense over the prosecution.
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Agreed. I watched the vid. Yanez did NOT pull his gun right away. He unlatched (correct term?) it, as I've seen cops do...just in case. He then panics (this is my issue with Yanez, and why I don't trust him with a badge*). He fires, and since he is panicking, those extra shots are fired (IMO, backed up by him continuing to say "Don't move"/etc over and over).

And yes, you walk up to the window, that is why you have your partner on the other side, a bit back. That's SOP.

*Because Yanez panicked so quickly, it makes me question one or both: training, skill set to actually be an officer of the law.

That being said, the way the law is written, and reading the article containing quotes from jurors today in the paper...there is reasonable doubt. I'm not saying it's right, but from my understanding, they followed the law and its interpretation.

One Op-Ed letter said it really well: he was FOUND not guilty. It doesn't MEAN he was not guilty.
 
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