Shirtless Guy
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Re: Cops 2: Pay No Attention to the Rioters Behind the Curtain
You honestly watch that video and see him reach for the toy gun?
You honestly watch that video and see him reach for the toy gun?
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Cops 2: Pay No Attention to the Rioters Behind the Curtain
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unofan
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50 feet may have made all the difference, or none at all. Maybe they miss their shots if they're no longer shooting near point blank. Maybe the kid isn't startled since they aren't that close, and doesn't reach for anything. Maybe they don't come out guns blazing.
Point being, I still haven't heard why the cops felt it necessary to drive as they did. You haven't provided a good answer (or even attempted to), nor has anyone else. They didn't "pull up" as though they were going to the mall. They went off road at a relatively high speed and slammed on the brakes in front of the kid. Because that's not going to freak anyone out.
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By guess is that it's a combination of things. First, to get them closer to the suspect for purposes of apprehension. Second, to perhaps block off one avenue of escape. Maybe to provide at least a small amount of protection for the cops as they approach (if they park two blocks away and walk up, not much protection). Speculation on my part. But speculation on your part as well. Why do you think they stopped where they did? To get closer to shoot this guy? To run him over? To enjoy the offroading experience?
I don't know why the cops pulled up where they did. Shirtless posted a video that is supposed to be the example for how cops handle it, and in that case they just pulled over into the oncoming lane of traffic, to get nearer to the guy.
By guess is that it's a combination of things. First, to get them closer to the suspect for purposes of apprehension. Second, to perhaps block off one avenue of escape. Maybe to provide at least a small amount of protection for the cops as they approach (if they park two blocks away and walk up, not much protection). Speculation on my part. But speculation on your part as well. Why do you think they stopped where they did? To get closer to shoot this guy? To run him over? To enjoy the offroading experience?
unofan
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I personally think they wanted to play Rambo and this was their chance. My reasoning behind it us no one else has provided a sufficient explanation for it. I guarantee if they were following proper procedure, that would've been mentioned repeatedly. The FBI report glossed over it, essentially saying that such armchair quarterbacking had no place in a review of the use of force.
Edit: that was a report by a retired FBI agent made at the behest of the local prosecutors. My mistake.
Edit two: when I said sufficient explanation, I really mean any explanation. I've yet to hear any reason why they pulled up where they did. I don't think they should get the automatic benefit of the doubt on that one.
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I haven't either. Literally, other than your posts on this site, I haven't seen or heard one comment, either pro or con, regarding their driving activities that day.
WeAreNDHockey
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Re: Cops 2: Pay No Attention to the Rioters Behind the Curtain
Great, we have cops who can't shoot without backing up and tripping over something... That's real good control of your firearm. Retreat and discharging your weapon at the same time is somewhat contradictory. If cover can be had, you have a whole lot less right to using lethal force. It's what was at the root of all those "stand your ground laws" that made George Zimmerman a household name.
The fact is this shooting, like what has seemingly become an endless number of other similar tragic events, could have been prevented at any number of points. Some of which were out of the two officers control yes, but at other points that were well within their control.
When they saw the kid, no they did not need to park 2 blocks up the street and have donuts and coffee, but neither should they have pulled to within what, 3 or 4 feet of him. Cops hammer at us every day with the so called 21 foot rule, so stay more than 21 feet away. From 30 or even 40 feet away you still have a clear view and it's only beyond 45 feet that accuracy in firing your handgun has been show to be significantly degraded, should the weapon need be discharged. And firing from a moving car? All sorts of wrong there. This cop had definitely seen too many action flicks.
Great, we have cops who can't shoot without backing up and tripping over something... That's real good control of your firearm. Retreat and discharging your weapon at the same time is somewhat contradictory. If cover can be had, you have a whole lot less right to using lethal force. It's what was at the root of all those "stand your ground laws" that made George Zimmerman a household name.
The fact is this shooting, like what has seemingly become an endless number of other similar tragic events, could have been prevented at any number of points. Some of which were out of the two officers control yes, but at other points that were well within their control.
When they saw the kid, no they did not need to park 2 blocks up the street and have donuts and coffee, but neither should they have pulled to within what, 3 or 4 feet of him. Cops hammer at us every day with the so called 21 foot rule, so stay more than 21 feet away. From 30 or even 40 feet away you still have a clear view and it's only beyond 45 feet that accuracy in firing your handgun has been show to be significantly degraded, should the weapon need be discharged. And firing from a moving car? All sorts of wrong there. This cop had definitely seen too many action flicks.
WeAreNDHockey
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Yeah, these cops sure deserve the benefit of our doubt. All police misconduct fortunately does not involve citizens getting hurt. Thank God for that, I suppose.
Yeah, these cops sure deserve the benefit of our doubt. All police misconduct fortunately does not involve citizens getting hurt. Thank God for that, I suppose.
johnnypohlfan
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Re: Cops 2: Pay No Attention to the Rioters Behind the Curtain
Some genuinely good back-and-forth going on here the past 40+ posts. Lots of interesting observations and thoughts from both sides. Intelligent stuff throughout. And a complete lack of input by the race-baiting echo chamber. Coincidence? Methinks not.
Some genuinely good back-and-forth going on here the past 40+ posts. Lots of interesting observations and thoughts from both sides. Intelligent stuff throughout. And a complete lack of input by the race-baiting echo chamber. Coincidence? Methinks not.
Handyman
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Re: Cops 2: Pay No Attention to the Rioters Behind the Curtain
So you decide to troll them? Wow Mr. Pot nice work...
So you decide to troll them? Wow Mr. Pot nice work...
johnnypohlfan
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Re: Cops 2: Pay No Attention to the Rioters Behind the Curtain
Pointing out the obvious is hardly trolling. I just say what numerous others are thinking. You don't have to like it.
edit: Looking back at several of your previous posts, I have to wonder where you get off calling someone else a troll. Seems as if you've almost perfected the art yourself. Good day to you, Sir.
Pointing out the obvious is hardly trolling. I just say what numerous others are thinking. You don't have to like it.
edit: Looking back at several of your previous posts, I have to wonder where you get off calling someone else a troll. Seems as if you've almost perfected the art yourself. Good day to you, Sir.
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Was thinking about the Oregon armed encampment thing last night. It was seeming to me that there was kind of a double standard between the treatment of blacks recently...and these guys who were destroying public land and setting up armed encampments. And sure enough, there's some outcry about it this morning. I believe justified.
Frankly if I were in charge, I'd say that we appreciate their ability to protest...but that in 24 hours the power would be pulled from the buildings. We are a country where the law applies to everyone.
Was thinking about the Oregon armed encampment thing last night. It was seeming to me that there was kind of a double standard between the treatment of blacks recently...and these guys who were destroying public land and setting up armed encampments. And sure enough, there's some outcry about it this morning. I believe justified.
Frankly if I were in charge, I'd say that we appreciate their ability to protest...but that in 24 hours the power would be pulled from the buildings. We are a country where the law applies to everyone.
You have to have seen the 60s where it seemed there was a campus occupation of the month. Some lasted a long long time.
Even Potsdam had the "Annual Potsdam Riot".
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
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Eff that noise. Pull the plug NOW. They have effectively declared war on their country, and they don't have a right to electricity or running water.
Eff that noise. Pull the plug NOW. They have effectively declared war on their country, and they don't have a right to electricity or running water.
Handyman
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Re: Cops 2: Pay No Attention to the Rioters Behind the Curtain
Bingo. This is tantamount to treason...they are lucky they havent been shot.
Bingo. This is tantamount to treason...they are lucky they havent been shot.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: Cops 2: Pay No Attention to the Rioters Behind the Curtain
Is this a good place to discuss the conduct and questions of the Manitowoc County Sheriff's department detailed in Making a Murderer?
Is this a good place to discuss the conduct and questions of the Manitowoc County Sheriff's department detailed in Making a Murderer?
aparch
Acetaminamerican
Re: Cops 2: Pay No Attention to the Rioters Behind the Curtain
Sure. It may occasionally get lost in some of the discussion about the Chicago PD and other goings-on.
How is Making a Murderer? Netflix's as good/better answer to Serial?
Sure. It may occasionally get lost in some of the discussion about the Chicago PD and other goings-on.
How is Making a Murderer? Netflix's as good/better answer to Serial?
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: Cops 2: Pay No Attention to the Rioters Behind the Curtain
Haven't seen Serial, but Making a Murderer was riveting television...probably resonated a little more for me, being that I grew up not far from Chilton and all the news clips were with anchors I grew up watching and one of the incompetent court appointed attorneys was the father of a classmate of mine.
Obviously, the first thing you have to do is realize the slant of the documentary team, they fully intended to show that Avery and Dassey were innocent and focused a ton of attention of calling out the actions of the Manitowoc County Sheriffs department, but based on what I've seen, heard and read about this...the Sheriffs department deserves a ton of scrutiny for the way they handled things, from claiming to the public that they were only there to assist Calumet County officers with equipment, when in reality they were consistently involved in the actual investigation of property and two names consistently show up as being involved with various things, when they shouldn't be...based on statements for the investigation.
It is a very sad state of affairs, to say nothing about whether or not Avery actually committed the crime in question.
Haven't seen Serial, but Making a Murderer was riveting television...probably resonated a little more for me, being that I grew up not far from Chilton and all the news clips were with anchors I grew up watching and one of the incompetent court appointed attorneys was the father of a classmate of mine.
Obviously, the first thing you have to do is realize the slant of the documentary team, they fully intended to show that Avery and Dassey were innocent and focused a ton of attention of calling out the actions of the Manitowoc County Sheriffs department, but based on what I've seen, heard and read about this...the Sheriffs department deserves a ton of scrutiny for the way they handled things, from claiming to the public that they were only there to assist Calumet County officers with equipment, when in reality they were consistently involved in the actual investigation of property and two names consistently show up as being involved with various things, when they shouldn't be...based on statements for the investigation.
It is a very sad state of affairs, to say nothing about whether or not Avery actually committed the crime in question.
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