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By all rights, Ryan should destroy him, but Gore destroyed Dubya in the 2000 debates and that didn't turn out well.

These things don't come down to substance often. Optics are way more important (the famous Nixon-JFK discrepancy between radio and TV viewers always comes to mind).

Kep, a minor factoid, but that Nixon-JFK thing is a big oversimplification. The sample used to determine that was way, way too small to be of any statistical usefulness, much like you wouldn't take 10 people off the street and use their take on the upcoming election as gospel.
 
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What is being said is that it was closed, Obama promised to open it, and it did not open. Obviously I don't know what the government can do in terms of opening those establishments, but the result is: "Obama lied, Capitalism died."


Ummm....no, that's not what he's saying at all. You got caught in a lie and are frantically trying to CYA.

From the Detroit Free Press:

Washington - Republican vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan inaccurately said Thursday that President Barack Obama "broke his promise" by failing to keep a General Motors plant open that closed in 2008 - before the Democrat took office.

Ryan, the House Budget committee chairman, recounted the decision by GM to shutter the Janesville Assembly plant in his hometown in June 2008. The last SUV rolled off the line in December 2008.

"I remember President Obama visiting it when he was first running, saying he'll keep that plant open," Ryan said at a campaign stop in Ohio Thursday, recounting the fact that his high school friends worked at the GM assembly plant. "One more broken promise. We used to build Tahoes and Suburbans. One of the reasons that plant got shut down was $4 gasoline. You see, this costs jobs. The president's terrible energy policies are costing us jobs."

In fact, Obama made no such promise and the plant halted production in December 2008, when President George W. Bush was in office.

GM cited the low demand for SUVs and high gas prices during the Bush administration as the reason for closing the plant, but Obama hadn't taken office.

Obama did speak at the plant in February 2008, and suggested that a government partnership with automakers could keep the plant open, but made no promises as Ryan suggested.

"I believe if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years," Obama said.

The Janesville plant, which once employed about 7,000 and had 2,400 workers when GM announced it would close, remains on standby. The plant opened in 1919.

In June 2009, GM considered three sites to locate a small car: its Orion plant in Michigan; Janesville, Wis.; and a Spring Hill, Tenn., plant slated to close in November. GM picked Orion and later reopened Spring Hill.

Ryan broke with his running mate, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, by voting for a government bailout of GM and Chrysler LLC in December 2008 without a requirement that the automakers file for bankruptcy first, as Romney had insisted.

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From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120816/AUTO0103/208160480#ixzz252tR3XBX
 
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Not good to have a reputation as a BS artist. That's what killed Gore more than anything else. Serial exaggerator I think was the exact term that was stuck to him.
 
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Shortlist of RNC "Mystery Date" speculation:

Zombie Reagan
Nancy Reagan
Clint Eastwood
Tim Tebow
Saint Joan of Alaska
Ted Nugent (OK, I'll admit it, I would watch that)
Colin Powell
Stanley McCrystal
Nobody (all just a buzz creation)
 
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I second the Ted Nugent choice. Personally I think a move like that would make Mittens unbeatable in Michigan!!! (Nugent is the Motor City Madman, right?)
 
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I second the Ted Nugent choice. Personally I think a move like that would make Mittens unbeatable in Michigan!!! (Nugent is the Motor City Madman, right?)
We'd have to respond with Suzi Quatro, to take both Michigan and Wisconsin (as Leather Tuscadero).
 
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Shortlist of RNC "Mystery Date" speculation:

Zombie Reagan
Nancy Reagan
Clint Eastwood
Tim Tebow
Saint Joan of Alaska
Ted Nugent (OK, I'll admit it, I would watch that)
Colin Powell
Stanley McCrystal
Nobody (all just a buzz creation)

I'd love it if it were Colin Powell, and it would fit the overall theme so far.

My money is on Clint though, especially as he is rumored to be flying to Florida today (I think joecct posted the first link below earlier). When he was elected as Mayor of Carmel, didn't he run as a Republican then?

http://www.krla870.com/blogs.aspx?blogid=4f2420e6-2eaf-4476-b638-8818cb141d00

http://dailycaller.com/2012/08/30/fox-news-source-says-clint-eastwood-to-be-rncs-mystery-speaker/

the fox news article to which the dailycaller site links also mentions Tim Tebow (!) as a potential mystery speaker. I doubt that one.
 
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Tebow might want to give some thought to getting into politics.

Lord knows he can't throw a football.
 
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And... it's Eastwood. He comes on right after Taylor Hicks.

Pretty ironic that Eastwood did the "Imported in Detroit" super bowl ad, and now he endorses the guy who wanted to let Detroit go belly up.
 
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And... it's Eastwood. He comes on right after Taylor Hicks.

Pretty ironic that Eastwood did the "Imported in Detroit" super bowl ad, and now he endorses the guy who wanted to let Detroit go belly up.

Um, both Romney and Obama wanted GM to go through a bankruptcy process, no?

Romney merely said we should have followed the rule of law; Obama said we should arbitrarily adjust the bankruptcy process so that the UAW was protected while bondholders had to take losses even though under the rule of law they were supposed to have first priority under a reorganized company.
 
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Um, both Romney and Obama wanted GM to go through a bankruptcy process, no?

Romney merely said we should have followed the rule of law; Obama said we should arbitrarily adjust the bankruptcy process so that the UAW was protected while bondholders had to take losses even though under the rule of law they were supposed to have first priority under a reorganized company.

Good Lord. Would you quit with the lies and Hannity talking points. Thanks.
 
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Good Lord. Would you quit with the lies .

What's untrue?

GM was reorganized, right?

UAW did get preferential treatment, right?

Bondholders did get moved down the priority list, right?

So, since all three of those things are true, there is no lie, right?
 
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If GM had gone into bankruptcy GM would no longer exist. They needed a loan that NO ONE was going to give them or they were not going to survive.

Do we need to bring DrD back in here in order to explain how the bondholders were royally screwed?
 
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If GM had gone into bankruptcy GM would no longer exist. They needed a loan that NO ONE was going to give them or they were not going to survive.

You apparently don't know very much about corporate reorganization under the bankruptcy laws. GM didn't "need" a loan, GM needed debt relief, in particular relief from its pension obligations. The loan bailed out the UAW, not GM.

There are dozens of companies still in business today that have gone through reorganization under the bankruptcy laws.

also, I thought you said you never watch Hannity? I don't, and so I don't know what his "talking points" are. How come you do??
 
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So my expectation is that there will be some popping of the blister after this election, because it will have been such a stark choice. Where Republicans refuse to cooperate on things that I know are good for the American people, I will continue to look for ways to do it administratively and work around Congress.

That would be the president... good to know that he plans on expanding his tyrannical role. My wish is that Romney would stomp him for this tonight.
 
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