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College Hockey...getting way too soft!
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SoCalSiouxFan
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Re: College Hockey...getting way too soft!
If you put hockey skates on a bunch if ice dancers you get "Minnesota Pride on Ice"!!!!
If you put hockey skates on a bunch if ice dancers you get "Minnesota Pride on Ice"!!!!
MadCityRich
20 Years and Counting
Re: College Hockey...getting way too soft!
Get rid of the ****in' bird cages and give them half-shields.
That pussification started YEARS ago.
Get rid of the ****in' bird cages and give them half-shields.
That pussification started YEARS ago.
Re: College Hockey...getting way too soft!
The biggest problem I have is this point of emphasis thing every year. One year it's hooking-holding-obstruction, the next it's checking from behind, this year it's contact to the head. Why do they have to change the rules or make the penalties more severe every single year. I have been playing/watching hockey my whole life and when I watch a game now I feel like a rookie fan. You just don't really know what's a penalty or not. Some hits that seem clean to me end up being a major penalty and the player getting ejected. It just doesn't make sense. They just need to leave the game alone and quit making so many changes all the time.
The biggest problem I have is this point of emphasis thing every year. One year it's hooking-holding-obstruction, the next it's checking from behind, this year it's contact to the head. Why do they have to change the rules or make the penalties more severe every single year. I have been playing/watching hockey my whole life and when I watch a game now I feel like a rookie fan. You just don't really know what's a penalty or not. Some hits that seem clean to me end up being a major penalty and the player getting ejected. It just doesn't make sense. They just need to leave the game alone and quit making so many changes all the time.
FlagDUDE08
Banned
Re: College Hockey...getting way too soft!
I believe they put that rule in. I know at least one of our players is wearing a full face shield rather than a cage. I don't know if any of the players have taken advantage of the half-shield yet, though.
I believe they put that rule in. I know at least one of our players is wearing a full face shield rather than a cage. I don't know if any of the players have taken advantage of the half-shield yet, though.
Re: College Hockey...getting way too soft!
This past weekend, 1/12 - 11/14, there were 31 DI games in which there was a winner and one of the teams involved enjoyed more power play goals than the other. Of these games the teams with more power play goals won 29 games and lost 4, for an 88% winning percentage.
College hockey may not be getting "way too soft." College hockey may be getting smart.
This past weekend, 1/12 - 11/14, there were 31 DI games in which there was a winner and one of the teams involved enjoyed more power play goals than the other. Of these games the teams with more power play goals won 29 games and lost 4, for an 88% winning percentage.
College hockey may not be getting "way too soft." College hockey may be getting smart.
SteveF
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Re: College Hockey...getting way too soft!
maybe you should re-read the definition of boarding.
maybe you should re-read the definition of boarding.
Re: College Hockey...getting way too soft!
A player has to be held accountable for his actions on the ice, much like a driver who chooses to get behind the wheel at his own discretion. This is the responsibility that comes with a physical game with real consequences of physcial actions that should not be taken lightly.
If a player has his head down or is facing the boards, the player about to make the hit needs to understand that throwing one's elbow/shoulder into the head of the unsuspecting player or sending him face-first into the boards won't be tolerated. I don't think this message was sent with Malone getting docked a game while the unsuspecting player may never play hockey again.
The punishment has to be enforced uniformly, regardless of the underlying injury or lack of injury that took place. I personally think Malone should have gotten something to the effect of 10 games (25% of the season) regardless of whether Martin got up and skated away or was carted off in a stretcher. By basing the punishment on the consequences of the poor decision, that undermines the integrity / spirit of what folks are trying to get cleaned up.
Until we are willing to hold players accountable for their actions and the choices they make (and Malone made a very conscience choice), then we will continue to see broken necks, paralysis, and other incidents that none of us (I think) want to see happen in the game we love. If we stiffen the penalties, we wll absolutely see hits to the head, boarding, etc penalties drastically reduced. Case in point, last time I checked, there isn't too mcuh fighting in NCAA hockey because it comes with an automatic 1 game suspension. Imagine if boarding or a hit to the head came with an automatic 5 games?
We should all look at the game as if our own children were out there. Somehow, I think we would want more safeguards in place. The consequences of these cowardly hits are not worth it, regardless of fans getting a cheap thrill every now and again.
A player has to be held accountable for his actions on the ice, much like a driver who chooses to get behind the wheel at his own discretion. This is the responsibility that comes with a physical game with real consequences of physcial actions that should not be taken lightly.
If a player has his head down or is facing the boards, the player about to make the hit needs to understand that throwing one's elbow/shoulder into the head of the unsuspecting player or sending him face-first into the boards won't be tolerated. I don't think this message was sent with Malone getting docked a game while the unsuspecting player may never play hockey again.
The punishment has to be enforced uniformly, regardless of the underlying injury or lack of injury that took place. I personally think Malone should have gotten something to the effect of 10 games (25% of the season) regardless of whether Martin got up and skated away or was carted off in a stretcher. By basing the punishment on the consequences of the poor decision, that undermines the integrity / spirit of what folks are trying to get cleaned up.
Until we are willing to hold players accountable for their actions and the choices they make (and Malone made a very conscience choice), then we will continue to see broken necks, paralysis, and other incidents that none of us (I think) want to see happen in the game we love. If we stiffen the penalties, we wll absolutely see hits to the head, boarding, etc penalties drastically reduced. Case in point, last time I checked, there isn't too mcuh fighting in NCAA hockey because it comes with an automatic 1 game suspension. Imagine if boarding or a hit to the head came with an automatic 5 games?
We should all look at the game as if our own children were out there. Somehow, I think we would want more safeguards in place. The consequences of these cowardly hits are not worth it, regardless of fans getting a cheap thrill every now and again.
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manurespreader
Still upright
Re: College Hockey...getting way too soft!
This is not the only rule that is difficult to understand. The hybred icing is another one, but don't get me started.
I agree and from a fan perspective it is difficult to know when a player has committed a crime and should go or not. I can see tripping or slashing but hitting to the head is so subjective that I cannot for the life of me tell when there is a foul.. I think it has come down to, if the ref sees anything of the offenders body ( think fingers and hands), near the head area he calls something. Even if he thinks he sees this, he blows the whistle. I am all for avoiding hits to the head and limiting head and neck injury but I am also all for being able to understand how and when the rule is applied.I don't think it is applied evenly at all.
This is not the only rule that is difficult to understand. The hybred icing is another one, but don't get me started.
huskyfan
New member
Re: College Hockey...getting way too soft!
a question. (because nobody likes seeing these things happen) did players suffer these catastrophic injuries (spinal cords, broken necks, etc) in the 50's, 60's and 70's? college and pros? being just a wee thing back in the day, I don't remember. are the injuries more prevalent these days? if so why? and what can be done?
it seems like better equipment and protection leads to more and harder hitting which leads to more injuries.
a question. (because nobody likes seeing these things happen) did players suffer these catastrophic injuries (spinal cords, broken necks, etc) in the 50's, 60's and 70's? college and pros? being just a wee thing back in the day, I don't remember. are the injuries more prevalent these days? if so why? and what can be done?
it seems like better equipment and protection leads to more and harder hitting which leads to more injuries.
solovsfett
Registered User
Re: College Hockey...getting way too soft!
right on.
re: malone I thought the hit was vicious and unnecessary however I would have liked to have seen about another 1/2 second prior to see what Malone was looking at.
but if it's anything like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvjqW5pAuAg
where I'd argue there was deliberate intent to injure by this complete coward of a player (given the sioux player was gliding until he saw Brendan Smith with his head down, then he decides to take 3-4 strides and destroy him), then it's really just adding another one to the list of over the line penalties by this team in particular under this particular coach.
I just hope we don't have to face seeing a kid get paralyzed before the coaches and refs take this seriously. the warrior code is bs, and taking advantage of people who have their heads down is bs. these kids know exactly what they're doing when they go out and dish these cheap hits out
HOWEVER, as MCR said if the NCAA gets rid of bird cages and shields that would be a big step in eventually reducing these actions coming from the other angle, and then if/when they do that, they should reduce the fighting majors so that a kid can be an enforcer for his team and 1 fight wouldn't get him a game. 2 fights, yeah sure then give him a game. 3 fights and the punishment goes up significantly but the NCAA really has 2 choices on this ENFORCE these CFB/Boarding/Contact the head penalties as agressively as possible or let the players go out and enforce on their own.
I think we all know most Mom's and Dad's are going to favor the league cracking down rather than watch their kid get a beatdown because he couldn't control himself.
right on.
re: malone I thought the hit was vicious and unnecessary however I would have liked to have seen about another 1/2 second prior to see what Malone was looking at.
but if it's anything like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvjqW5pAuAg
where I'd argue there was deliberate intent to injure by this complete coward of a player (given the sioux player was gliding until he saw Brendan Smith with his head down, then he decides to take 3-4 strides and destroy him), then it's really just adding another one to the list of over the line penalties by this team in particular under this particular coach.
I just hope we don't have to face seeing a kid get paralyzed before the coaches and refs take this seriously. the warrior code is bs, and taking advantage of people who have their heads down is bs. these kids know exactly what they're doing when they go out and dish these cheap hits out
HOWEVER, as MCR said if the NCAA gets rid of bird cages and shields that would be a big step in eventually reducing these actions coming from the other angle, and then if/when they do that, they should reduce the fighting majors so that a kid can be an enforcer for his team and 1 fight wouldn't get him a game. 2 fights, yeah sure then give him a game. 3 fights and the punishment goes up significantly but the NCAA really has 2 choices on this ENFORCE these CFB/Boarding/Contact the head penalties as agressively as possible or let the players go out and enforce on their own.
I think we all know most Mom's and Dad's are going to favor the league cracking down rather than watch their kid get a beatdown because he couldn't control himself.
solovsfett
Registered User
Re: College Hockey...getting way too soft!
in the 50's, 60's and 70's we had players who'd enforce out there. fighting was allowed. it was very much a pro-style game that way. injuries like what we're seeing now didn't seem to occur as often because of that (plus they didn't wear shields back then so players were less careless). ALSO, concussions I'm sure we're mis-diagnosed as "having his bell rung"
in the 50's, 60's and 70's we had players who'd enforce out there. fighting was allowed. it was very much a pro-style game that way. injuries like what we're seeing now didn't seem to occur as often because of that (plus they didn't wear shields back then so players were less careless). ALSO, concussions I'm sure we're mis-diagnosed as "having his bell rung"
Puck Swami
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Re: College Hockey...getting way too soft!
Yes. Here are just some pre-Martin catastrophic Denver Pioneer injuries: Denver freshmen Barry Sharp was killed by a puck to the head in practice the early 50s. Pioneer George Congrave took a skate to the head in the late 50s and never played again. Denver graduate Bill Masterton was killed in an NHL game in 1968, when his hit head hit the ice. He is the only NHLer to die in a game. DU's Mike Aikens was was checked into the boards by Wisconsin's Sean Hill in 1991 - he broke his neck and never played again. And Denver's Brent Cary broke his neck in practice in 1995, but did come back to play later in his career.
Yes. Here are just some pre-Martin catastrophic Denver Pioneer injuries: Denver freshmen Barry Sharp was killed by a puck to the head in practice the early 50s. Pioneer George Congrave took a skate to the head in the late 50s and never played again. Denver graduate Bill Masterton was killed in an NHL game in 1968, when his hit head hit the ice. He is the only NHLer to die in a game. DU's Mike Aikens was was checked into the boards by Wisconsin's Sean Hill in 1991 - he broke his neck and never played again. And Denver's Brent Cary broke his neck in practice in 1995, but did come back to play later in his career.
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Huskiefan906
Well-known member
Re: College Hockey...getting way too soft!
My son is a Mite and I cringe at the thought of someone running him in the future like you see in the game these days.
Charging is very rarely called. Anything more than 2-3 steps should constitute a charging penalty. This takes the pre-meditated hit out of the game.
Checking is meant to be a tactic to take a player off the puck, not send him to the hospital.
I think absolutely the half shields should be implemented next season.
The players are bigger, faster, and hit harder than ever before. The game needs to adjust so that you don't see the catastrophic injuries year after year.
My son is a Mite and I cringe at the thought of someone running him in the future like you see in the game these days.
Charging is very rarely called. Anything more than 2-3 steps should constitute a charging penalty. This takes the pre-meditated hit out of the game.
Checking is meant to be a tactic to take a player off the puck, not send him to the hospital.
I think absolutely the half shields should be implemented next season.
The players are bigger, faster, and hit harder than ever before. The game needs to adjust so that you don't see the catastrophic injuries year after year.
bearsFan93
New member
Re: College Hockey...getting way too soft!
That is atrocious, particularly in the wake of what happend to Denver's Martin. As they say, in one ear, out the other when there are minimal repercussions by the NCAA and the team.
Makes me think that the inmates are running the asylum up in Sioux land. To that point, when you see a team consistently taking things into their own hands and running players with cheap shots (such as the clip above), then the coach needs to ultimately held accountable, in addition to the player.
Again, if 5 games were given for this sort of stuff (both to the player and for the coach if this is a commonplace event for a team), you will see this stuff significantly curtailed.
That is atrocious, particularly in the wake of what happend to Denver's Martin. As they say, in one ear, out the other when there are minimal repercussions by the NCAA and the team.
Makes me think that the inmates are running the asylum up in Sioux land. To that point, when you see a team consistently taking things into their own hands and running players with cheap shots (such as the clip above), then the coach needs to ultimately held accountable, in addition to the player.
Again, if 5 games were given for this sort of stuff (both to the player and for the coach if this is a commonplace event for a team), you will see this stuff significantly curtailed.
Dirty
#BanBiddy
Re: College Hockey...getting way too soft!
Exactly what happened. UND can't be beaten unless the refs cheat.
Exactly what happened. UND can't be beaten unless the refs cheat.
cg_siouxfan
Registered User
Re: College Hockey...getting way too soft!
My bad. I just assumed since the two teams played this past weekend, that was where the hit took place.
That video is from 2007.
My bad. I just assumed since the two teams played this past weekend, that was where the hit took place.