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Colgate 2018-19
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TheGreenCoat
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Re: Colgate 2018-19
appreciate the comment LTsatch...they're good kids and they compete...we've got a problem very similar to what Tom Beckitt faced at Yale with Tim Taylor...it's not pleasant, but...
appreciate the comment LTsatch...they're good kids and they compete...we've got a problem very similar to what Tom Beckitt faced at Yale with Tim Taylor...it's not pleasant, but...
Re: Colgate 2018-19
Feel your pain Coat, and as an '83 guy I knew/know all of the guys you mentioned personally... great team that got me into Gate hockey. One of my fraternity brothers was a first line player as a sophomore, by the time he was a senior he was sitting in the stands next to me... the reboot does need to happen, but it doesn't have to take forever! Good luck to the seniors, and here's to better seasons ahead in our beautiful new arena...
Feel your pain Coat, and as an '83 guy I knew/know all of the guys you mentioned personally... great team that got me into Gate hockey. One of my fraternity brothers was a first line player as a sophomore, by the time he was a senior he was sitting in the stands next to me... the reboot does need to happen, but it doesn't have to take forever! Good luck to the seniors, and here's to better seasons ahead in our beautiful new arena...
Re: Colgate 2018-19
It will not be easy, and no matter what happens, feelings will be hurt. Yale changed the Coach and upgraded the facilities at the same time, so you are ahead of that game with the new rink. The new Assistant Coaches had just as much to do with Yale's resurgance. If you are going to let go of a legacy Coach, much better to just clean house, old habits die hard.
It will not be easy, and no matter what happens, feelings will be hurt. Yale changed the Coach and upgraded the facilities at the same time, so you are ahead of that game with the new rink. The new Assistant Coaches had just as much to do with Yale's resurgance. If you are going to let go of a legacy Coach, much better to just clean house, old habits die hard.
Re: Colgate 2018-19
There just had to be one last dagger, more salt and lemon juice on the wound...a final stat of 10 shutouts in 36 games to end this agonizing season. TGIO.
Would love the perspective of the seniors and players who were recruited to play here. Why did they choose Colgate? Would they do it again? What are their lasting impressions? Would they advise other recruits to come here? After 4 years, do they still support their coach? The smartest players were Wagner and Point who left when the writing was on the wall.
Thought Jenna Jorgensen did a great job in her summary/recap of the game/season. It was a positive end a bleak season. There was also this tidbit of information that we are currently discussing:
With 962 games under at the helm of Colgate hockey, head coach Don Vaughan's 26th season is the third longest tenure in college hockey, behind Rick Gotkin (Mercyhurst, 31st season), and Bob Daniels (Ferris State, 27th season).
#Drain the swamp
#RIP2018-2019
Thank you, Senior Class
There just had to be one last dagger, more salt and lemon juice on the wound...a final stat of 10 shutouts in 36 games to end this agonizing season. TGIO.
Would love the perspective of the seniors and players who were recruited to play here. Why did they choose Colgate? Would they do it again? What are their lasting impressions? Would they advise other recruits to come here? After 4 years, do they still support their coach? The smartest players were Wagner and Point who left when the writing was on the wall.
Thought Jenna Jorgensen did a great job in her summary/recap of the game/season. It was a positive end a bleak season. There was also this tidbit of information that we are currently discussing:
With 962 games under at the helm of Colgate hockey, head coach Don Vaughan's 26th season is the third longest tenure in college hockey, behind Rick Gotkin (Mercyhurst, 31st season), and Bob Daniels (Ferris State, 27th season).
#Drain the swamp
#RIP2018-2019
Thank you, Senior Class
TheGreenCoat
Registered User
Re: Colgate 2018-19
don't really know...seems like four, perhaps five...the Young brothers arrive in 2019 and 2020 (Camrose/AJHL) with the younger one coming in 2020 (with what it seems is a pretty good upside)...Vachon from Brooks Bandits, Manderville (son of Cornell's Manderville) has good size but hasn't shown much on the scoring front, a Swiss youngster playing in the BCHL, and maybe Jack Hoey from Choate who was supposed to play in the BCJL this year, but was injured and did not play...on paper? Hard to say, maybe OK, but nothing to get excited about...development is a tough call and I hope I am dead wrong...Eric Ciccolini (a talented 2020 recruit) decomitted and is headed to Michigan. Chris Heisenberg, College Hockey, Inc and Neutral Zone (pay a fee here) are pretty good resources. Our informative SPC? No chance..
don't really know...seems like four, perhaps five...the Young brothers arrive in 2019 and 2020 (Camrose/AJHL) with the younger one coming in 2020 (with what it seems is a pretty good upside)...Vachon from Brooks Bandits, Manderville (son of Cornell's Manderville) has good size but hasn't shown much on the scoring front, a Swiss youngster playing in the BCHL, and maybe Jack Hoey from Choate who was supposed to play in the BCJL this year, but was injured and did not play...on paper? Hard to say, maybe OK, but nothing to get excited about...development is a tough call and I hope I am dead wrong...Eric Ciccolini (a talented 2020 recruit) decomitted and is headed to Michigan. Chris Heisenberg, College Hockey, Inc and Neutral Zone (pay a fee here) are pretty good resources. Our informative SPC? No chance..
TheGreenCoat
Registered User
Re: Colgate 2018-19
exactly...I do believe that Jesse Winchester was a major help in assembling a talented Class of '16...BTW, I hope we don't lose Jared Cockrell permanently...he's had a number of concussions...several ECAC teams remain on the bubble...frankly, at this point looks like two (Q-Pac and somebody else) will make it...was hoping for three, but the numbers are tough...as for us, let's see what the "off season" brings...
exactly...I do believe that Jesse Winchester was a major help in assembling a talented Class of '16...BTW, I hope we don't lose Jared Cockrell permanently...he's had a number of concussions...several ECAC teams remain on the bubble...frankly, at this point looks like two (Q-Pac and somebody else) will make it...was hoping for three, but the numbers are tough...as for us, let's see what the "off season" brings...
Re: Colgate 2018-19
There is no requiem for the 2018-19 Colgate Men's Ice Hockey season. Mercifully, it is over. I only made it to TWO games this season, and while part of me feels bad about it, another part of me doesn't regret it. It is not the worst season in terms of total wins (2016-17 still holds that record), but it's the worst I've seen since 2005 in terms of player/team statistics:
-NO players with double-digit goals
-NO players averaging a point per game
-as a team, averaging WELL UNDER 2 goals/game.
-as a team, shut out TEN times in 36 games (roughly once every other weekend! I'm groaning louder than Charlie Brown!)
I feel REALLY bad for the seniors. They only won 47 games in their 4 seasons at Colgate.
-The Class of 2015 (Wilson, Lidgett, Goulakos) that left 'Gate just before this year's seniors came into the program won 75 games.
-The Class of 2008 (Burton, Winchester, Dekanich) won 78 games.
-The Class of 2007 won 82 games.
-The Class of 2006 won 84 games.
The following is a copy of what I posted after the 2016-17 season:
And I posted this at the start of the 2017-18 season:
Now the season after 2016-17 was a noticeable improvement in the won/loss record. But we only scored 2.17 goals/game that season, after scoring only 2.1 goals/game in 2016-17. And we already know that statistic for this season. I wonder if that new goal horn at Class of 1965 arena is a curse?
Is the program at a crossroads: in my honest, humble opinion, YES. Is Don Vaughan's job in jeopardy? in my honest, humble opinion, YES. Are the assistant coaching jobs in jeopardy? YES. Three 20+ loss seasons in 4 years is unacceptable, especially when you take into account the success the football, men's soccer, women's hockey, and men's basketball teams have all shown this academic year. All I can do now is pray...
There is no requiem for the 2018-19 Colgate Men's Ice Hockey season. Mercifully, it is over. I only made it to TWO games this season, and while part of me feels bad about it, another part of me doesn't regret it. It is not the worst season in terms of total wins (2016-17 still holds that record), but it's the worst I've seen since 2005 in terms of player/team statistics:
-NO players with double-digit goals
-NO players averaging a point per game
-as a team, averaging WELL UNDER 2 goals/game.
-as a team, shut out TEN times in 36 games (roughly once every other weekend! I'm groaning louder than Charlie Brown!)
I feel REALLY bad for the seniors. They only won 47 games in their 4 seasons at Colgate.
-The Class of 2015 (Wilson, Lidgett, Goulakos) that left 'Gate just before this year's seniors came into the program won 75 games.
-The Class of 2008 (Burton, Winchester, Dekanich) won 78 games.
-The Class of 2007 won 82 games.
-The Class of 2006 won 84 games.
The following is a copy of what I posted after the 2016-17 season:
And I posted this at the start of the 2017-18 season:
Now the season after 2016-17 was a noticeable improvement in the won/loss record. But we only scored 2.17 goals/game that season, after scoring only 2.1 goals/game in 2016-17. And we already know that statistic for this season. I wonder if that new goal horn at Class of 1965 arena is a curse?
Is the program at a crossroads: in my honest, humble opinion, YES. Is Don Vaughan's job in jeopardy? in my honest, humble opinion, YES. Are the assistant coaching jobs in jeopardy? YES. Three 20+ loss seasons in 4 years is unacceptable, especially when you take into account the success the football, men's soccer, women's hockey, and men's basketball teams have all shown this academic year. All I can do now is pray...
TheGreenCoat
Registered User
Re: Colgate 2018-19
wise words and spot on...nobody likes the current situation, in part because we're talking about individuals who have been great representatives of our school, have helped to develop quality young men, and always produce teams that compete hard. But IMHO it's is time for change (and, echoing Rainman's sentiments), including the assistant coach as well. To repeat, this isn't fun stuff, but we all know on this thread that we've been spinning our wheels, with a downward drift, for many years. As many of us have said here, the end of the "new arena" process should've been a reboot for MIH. It clearly hasn't been; we are 43% over the last 13 years and 37% over the last four. It'll be interesting to see if anything noteworthy occurs over the next two or three weeks...
wise words and spot on...nobody likes the current situation, in part because we're talking about individuals who have been great representatives of our school, have helped to develop quality young men, and always produce teams that compete hard. But IMHO it's is time for change (and, echoing Rainman's sentiments), including the assistant coach as well. To repeat, this isn't fun stuff, but we all know on this thread that we've been spinning our wheels, with a downward drift, for many years. As many of us have said here, the end of the "new arena" process should've been a reboot for MIH. It clearly hasn't been; we are 43% over the last 13 years and 37% over the last four. It'll be interesting to see if anything noteworthy occurs over the next two or three weeks...
Re: Colgate 2018-19
Winchester has been the CCHL Coach of the Year two consecutive seasons, and his Brockville Braves are currently in the Top 10 nationwide across juniors. Looks like he can manage from behind the bench. Who knows how he could recruit, but his efforts with the Class of ‘16 are certainly encouraging. He would also be a great avatar for the school as his ‘gate career led to a regular gig in the NHL. He can preach it because he lived it.
As Winchester played under Vaughan, maybe Don would see it as a continuation of what he started and take a job in the athletic administration. After all he has meant to the school and all his efforts over the past quarter century, I would love to see him move to a management position in the athletic department so he can still be part of a school he clearly cares a ton about.
Winchester has been the CCHL Coach of the Year two consecutive seasons, and his Brockville Braves are currently in the Top 10 nationwide across juniors. Looks like he can manage from behind the bench. Who knows how he could recruit, but his efforts with the Class of ‘16 are certainly encouraging. He would also be a great avatar for the school as his ‘gate career led to a regular gig in the NHL. He can preach it because he lived it.
As Winchester played under Vaughan, maybe Don would see it as a continuation of what he started and take a job in the athletic administration. After all he has meant to the school and all his efforts over the past quarter century, I would love to see him move to a management position in the athletic department so he can still be part of a school he clearly cares a ton about.
Re: Colgate 2018-19
It’s hard to say, but a change might be a good thing. I think the only way if happens is if Winchester decides he wants the job. It seemingly would be a smooth amimicable transition.
As everyone has said here before it stinks that it is even a consideration at this point, but it has to be addressed.
It’s hard to say, but a change might be a good thing. I think the only way if happens is if Winchester decides he wants the job. It seemingly would be a smooth amimicable transition.
As everyone has said here before it stinks that it is even a consideration at this point, but it has to be addressed.
TheGreenCoat
Registered User
Re: Colgate 2018-19
I know this is all conjecture, but, intuitively the above comments make some sense. I've seen Jesse interviewed a few times. He's articulate, young, a slow developer who carved out a decent NHL career. And he might be able to get us back in the game in Ontario recruiting, where we have little clout (thank you UMass, Clarkson and others). He's a great example of a young man, progressing at a great school and making it in the NHL (DV certainly deserves some credit here). Any transition's going to be difficult, but as "red133883" has stated, the current state of our program HAS to be addressed.
I know this is all conjecture, but, intuitively the above comments make some sense. I've seen Jesse interviewed a few times. He's articulate, young, a slow developer who carved out a decent NHL career. And he might be able to get us back in the game in Ontario recruiting, where we have little clout (thank you UMass, Clarkson and others). He's a great example of a young man, progressing at a great school and making it in the NHL (DV certainly deserves some credit here). Any transition's going to be difficult, but as "red133883" has stated, the current state of our program HAS to be addressed.
iowabasedtraveler
Well-known member
Re: Colgate 2018-19
I am relatively new to the party, but, with the comments here since Saturday night, I am reminded of the following...
Albert Einstein is widely credited with saying, “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results.”
I am relatively new to the party, but, with the comments here since Saturday night, I am reminded of the following...
Albert Einstein is widely credited with saying, “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results.”
Did not know Winchester was an alumnus, it certainly helped having Allain as a former Yale goalie when the transition happened. His pro experience with the Caps was also key. He and Taylor were great friends and having a respected guy from the same school softened the blow for Taylor. Good luck.