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Colgate 2017-18
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Re: Colgate 2017-18
The new rink is very significant. I understand this partially because I've followed the women's program turnaround over the past 3 years as closely as any 'Gate alum. Do you remember how moribund WIH was before the turnaround--how about a slot above "Kathy Foto Field Hockey ?" With a 2017-18 regular season ECAC co-championship ( Colgate-Clarkson ) a weekend away from being a fait accompli, I think there's going to be a delayed reaction within the Colgate community about how significant this turnaround and the rink are in Colgate athletic history. There's no doubt in my mind that the 38 mill investment in Class of '65 has facilitated a foundation and will continue to play a role in a quasi-elite WIH program's emgence at 'Gate. ( Disclaimer: this will happen--but let's not be ridiculous and expect a linear path. )
I think it will be interesting to follow how this WIH Cinderella success story may evolve. In the next stage, home-grown perfotmance within this 38 mil arena with all of its hockey toys and tools enters into symbiosis with 'Gate's education story/'Gate's Div I student-athlete niche. A perfect metaphor for telling both the Colgate athletic and the Colgate instituional story to more audiences than just hockey recruits. The perspective this story conveys about Colgate is significantly unique. Enter the next stage of Program development necessary to become a "quasi-elite" WIH Program--an ingrained process to sustain a high level of performance. ( Historically, this hasn't followed "blip performance years" at 'Gate. Think MIH NCAA 1990, Foyle basketball, Baum lax, etc. ) As Colgate's new WIH coach, Fargo brought the experience of a former D-III coach working out of a decaying aircraft hanger looking arena. But he was armed with a vision. He found the recruits who today, as champions, admit they were taking a chance when they bought in. But, Fargo was able to lead and teach them. And they all started to execute the vision together--making it up on the fly-- even as the building was still being crafted around them. Keep your eye on the next part of the story: how the conjoining of resources mentioned above helps move the program to this next level. The quote above is correct--it's not "magic." Nevertheless a note to the men's program community seems appropriate--there wasn't an auto-pilot "how to" manual that came along with the keys to the new arena.
The new rink is very significant. I understand this partially because I've followed the women's program turnaround over the past 3 years as closely as any 'Gate alum. Do you remember how moribund WIH was before the turnaround--how about a slot above "Kathy Foto Field Hockey ?" With a 2017-18 regular season ECAC co-championship ( Colgate-Clarkson ) a weekend away from being a fait accompli, I think there's going to be a delayed reaction within the Colgate community about how significant this turnaround and the rink are in Colgate athletic history. There's no doubt in my mind that the 38 mill investment in Class of '65 has facilitated a foundation and will continue to play a role in a quasi-elite WIH program's emgence at 'Gate. ( Disclaimer: this will happen--but let's not be ridiculous and expect a linear path. )
I think it will be interesting to follow how this WIH Cinderella success story may evolve. In the next stage, home-grown perfotmance within this 38 mil arena with all of its hockey toys and tools enters into symbiosis with 'Gate's education story/'Gate's Div I student-athlete niche. A perfect metaphor for telling both the Colgate athletic and the Colgate instituional story to more audiences than just hockey recruits. The perspective this story conveys about Colgate is significantly unique. Enter the next stage of Program development necessary to become a "quasi-elite" WIH Program--an ingrained process to sustain a high level of performance. ( Historically, this hasn't followed "blip performance years" at 'Gate. Think MIH NCAA 1990, Foyle basketball, Baum lax, etc. ) As Colgate's new WIH coach, Fargo brought the experience of a former D-III coach working out of a decaying aircraft hanger looking arena. But he was armed with a vision. He found the recruits who today, as champions, admit they were taking a chance when they bought in. But, Fargo was able to lead and teach them. And they all started to execute the vision together--making it up on the fly-- even as the building was still being crafted around them. Keep your eye on the next part of the story: how the conjoining of resources mentioned above helps move the program to this next level. The quote above is correct--it's not "magic." Nevertheless a note to the men's program community seems appropriate--there wasn't an auto-pilot "how to" manual that came along with the keys to the new arena.
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ColSkate65
Signer of '65 Arena first beam.
Re: Colgate 2017-18
This is all very well and good. But you still have to go out and get the players - "recruiting" it's called. Until the men's side does that we are not going to move forward. Greg Fargo had a vision and the chutzpa to go out and make the WIH program a huge success in a short period of time. While we have made some small baby steps with the men's program - IMHO - we still haven't cracked the big-time recruit-wise. Take a look at what's happened to Clarkson, a doormat that has turned itself around in one or two years, with a new coach. Conversely QU has gone from the penthouse to the doghouse very quickly. It's all about getting the players and beating the bushes before we can be a perennial contender. But you know all that....
This is all very well and good. But you still have to go out and get the players - "recruiting" it's called. Until the men's side does that we are not going to move forward. Greg Fargo had a vision and the chutzpa to go out and make the WIH program a huge success in a short period of time. While we have made some small baby steps with the men's program - IMHO - we still haven't cracked the big-time recruit-wise. Take a look at what's happened to Clarkson, a doormat that has turned itself around in one or two years, with a new coach. Conversely QU has gone from the penthouse to the doghouse very quickly. It's all about getting the players and beating the bushes before we can be a perennial contender. But you know all that....
ColSkate65
Signer of '65 Arena first beam.
Re: Colgate 2017-18
Off Topic: Olympics - Slovenia beats USA, 3-2 in OT. Gold Medal is looking mighty shaky....
Off Topic: Olympics - Slovenia beats USA, 3-2 in OT. Gold Medal is looking mighty shaky....
Re: Colgate 2017-18
What's wrong with Colton Point, haven't heard anything ? Someone said he was on the bench last weekend. Games only get bigger every weekend now, I think we need a very doable split in our last four to get home ice first round.
Since the beginning of December our record is 3-9-1, we better start scoring goals or we'll be on the road for the playoffs.
Not only Point but where's Quillan been ??
What's wrong with Colton Point, haven't heard anything ? Someone said he was on the bench last weekend. Games only get bigger every weekend now, I think we need a very doable split in our last four to get home ice first round.
Since the beginning of December our record is 3-9-1, we better start scoring goals or we'll be on the road for the playoffs.
Not only Point but where's Quillan been ??
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Quillan was actually in the lineup against Clarkson. I am thinking he may not play every game for a very positive reason . . .
. . . despite our paucity of goal scoring talent, we do have a relatively deep blue line. And with Cosgrove and Austin providing solid point production (although are we happy or concerned they score more than the forwards?) it’s probably tough to break into the top six.
Speaking of defensemen, does anyone else think we are playing better defense (most nights anyway) than in recent years. And I don’t think it’s just Point. We seem much more diligent defensively and less apt to make those brutal neutral zone turnovers.
Quillan was actually in the lineup against Clarkson. I am thinking he may not play every game for a very positive reason . . .
. . . despite our paucity of goal scoring talent, we do have a relatively deep blue line. And with Cosgrove and Austin providing solid point production (although are we happy or concerned they score more than the forwards?) it’s probably tough to break into the top six.
Speaking of defensemen, does anyone else think we are playing better defense (most nights anyway) than in recent years. And I don’t think it’s just Point. We seem much more diligent defensively and less apt to make those brutal neutral zone turnovers.
Re: Colgate 2017-18
You're spot on about our defense, #9 nationally @ 2.3 GPG. That should be good enough to win many games, at 2.1 GPG offensively, we're not even in the top 50. I'm impressed with Cosgrove and Austin, especially Cosgrove's speed carrying the puck, watch him.
Yale's been scoring in bunches lately including two hat tricks in one game recently, they lead the country in shorties, we need to stay outta the box, very crucial.
You're spot on about our defense, #9 nationally @ 2.3 GPG. That should be good enough to win many games, at 2.1 GPG offensively, we're not even in the top 50. I'm impressed with Cosgrove and Austin, especially Cosgrove's speed carrying the puck, watch him.
Yale's been scoring in bunches lately including two hat tricks in one game recently, they lead the country in shorties, we need to stay outta the box, very crucial.
MarkEagleUSA
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Re: Colgate 2017-18
We played really well, that game is different if Point is in net. The offense looked good, really good. But the loss basically killed any hope of a bye. Can’t really complain as we were supposed to be bad this year, and no rain, the worst time would be in the playoffs, without him healthy in the postseason we have no chance.
We played really well, that game is different if Point is in net. The offense looked good, really good. But the loss basically killed any hope of a bye. Can’t really complain as we were supposed to be bad this year, and no rain, the worst time would be in the playoffs, without him healthy in the postseason we have no chance.
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TheGreenCoat
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Re: Colgate 2017-18
Yale comes after you for the entire 60 minutes and they simply, in the end, had too much speed...thought we came out strong, but the last 45 minutes were controlled (maybe 60-40, not overwhelming) by the Elis...thought both goalies played pretty well and I'm not sure if Point would've made any difference. Snively is one hell of a player (like Ryan Hitchcock as well) and Yale is getting its legs. Defensive lapse (by one unnamed forward in particular) cost us Yale's third goal...good to have Cockrell back and overall the effort was there...again, too much time in our end and we simply not fast enough to make teams really pay for an aggressive forecheck. HAVE to win tonight as P-ton, Dartmouth and Yale (obviously) all won...Bottom Line: the talent upgrade, especially at the forward position, HAS to continue if we're ever going to compete for a top four spot.
Yale comes after you for the entire 60 minutes and they simply, in the end, had too much speed...thought we came out strong, but the last 45 minutes were controlled (maybe 60-40, not overwhelming) by the Elis...thought both goalies played pretty well and I'm not sure if Point would've made any difference. Snively is one hell of a player (like Ryan Hitchcock as well) and Yale is getting its legs. Defensive lapse (by one unnamed forward in particular) cost us Yale's third goal...good to have Cockrell back and overall the effort was there...again, too much time in our end and we simply not fast enough to make teams really pay for an aggressive forecheck. HAVE to win tonight as P-ton, Dartmouth and Yale (obviously) all won...Bottom Line: the talent upgrade, especially at the forward position, HAS to continue if we're ever going to compete for a top four spot.
Re: Colgate 2017-18
I agree with you about Racine, thought he played very well and not sure if Point would have made a difference, give him some credit. Yale was overall faster but our offense was better than most nights, McKechneys goal was beautiful. A tough loss, if we win tonight we'll probably jump back up to fifth or sixth, a loss tonight and we could easily start the playoffs on the road. Brown played very tough losing 2-1 to Cornell.
I agree with you about Racine, thought he played very well and not sure if Point would have made a difference, give him some credit. Yale was overall faster but our offense was better than most nights, McKechneys goal was beautiful. A tough loss, if we win tonight we'll probably jump back up to fifth or sixth, a loss tonight and we could easily start the playoffs on the road. Brown played very tough losing 2-1 to Cornell.
Re: Colgate 2017-18
Three quick points:
1) McKechney has really come on over the last month or so. If he can continue improving at this rate, that bodes well. I remember following him in the AJHL playoffs last year and being optimistic about his potential.
2) When the game tightened after the Brown goal, McMann had two superlative shifts, including the one in which he scored. When he plays like that he looks like the best player on the ice. It goes without saying that we need him playing at this level.
3) Most of all, I was really happy for Bruce Racine. He’s played well when called upon these past two weeks, and it was great seeing him earn the win on Senior Night.
Three quick points:
1) McKechney has really come on over the last month or so. If he can continue improving at this rate, that bodes well. I remember following him in the AJHL playoffs last year and being optimistic about his potential.
2) When the game tightened after the Brown goal, McMann had two superlative shifts, including the one in which he scored. When he plays like that he looks like the best player on the ice. It goes without saying that we need him playing at this level.
3) Most of all, I was really happy for Bruce Racine. He’s played well when called upon these past two weeks, and it was great seeing him earn the win on Senior Night.
Re: Colgate 2017-18
Spot on Marmot, good win last night. Also, Meyer is turning it on, three points last night.
Well, ECAC with a last weekend photo finish coming up, who gets home ice first round ? I think if we beat RPI Saturday night we're home, other than that I don't know. Yale vs Dartmouth is a biggie.
Spot on Marmot, good win last night. Also, Meyer is turning it on, three points last night.
Well, ECAC with a last weekend photo finish coming up, who gets home ice first round ? I think if we beat RPI Saturday night we're home, other than that I don't know. Yale vs Dartmouth is a biggie.
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Re: Colgate 2017-18
Congrats to Bruce Racine on earning his first career win, in his final regular season home game.
We officially can’t get the bye anymore, but a win vs. Union on Friday officially clinches at least an 8th place finish for us (and a 1st round home series). We would then hold a tiebreaker with Quinnipiac (currently in 9th), which would come down to record vs. top 4.
Congrats to Bruce Racine on earning his first career win, in his final regular season home game.
We officially can’t get the bye anymore, but a win vs. Union on Friday officially clinches at least an 8th place finish for us (and a 1st round home series). We would then hold a tiebreaker with Quinnipiac (currently in 9th), which would come down to record vs. top 4.
iowabasedtraveler
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Re: Colgate 2017-18
It is starting to really get exciting...
http://www.ecachockey.com/men/championship/20180101_Fan_Guide
I will be at both Union and RPI this weekend (arenas 75 and 76 for me, lifetime).
It is starting to really get exciting...
http://www.ecachockey.com/men/championship/20180101_Fan_Guide
I will be at both Union and RPI this weekend (arenas 75 and 76 for me, lifetime).
ColSkate65
Signer of '65 Arena first beam.
Re: Colgate 2017-18
Big game Friday vs Union.
BUMP
Big game Friday vs Union.
BUMP